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Healthcare benefits are broken. Confusing by design. Buried in fine print. Protected by jargon.

The EOB Podcast (Explanation of Benefits) exists to rip the curtain back.

Hosted by Justin Leader, founder of BenefitsDNA — a known disruptor in the healthcare benefits industry, alongside Julie Selesnick, Director, Legal & Compliance at Judi Group and Founder & Principal Attorney at Health Plan Legal... more

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In this episode of The EOB Podcast, Justin and Julie break down one of the biggest developments in the employee benefits industry: the growing wave of litigation surrounding voluntary benefits, excessive compensation, and fiduciary responsibility.

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In this special Friends with Benefits episode of The EOB Podcast, Justin and Julie sit down with Jessica Brooks Woods, healthcare leader, executive, and Founder of the newly launched Health Intelligence Network (HIN). This episode was filmed April 16... more

This episode was filmed on March 19, 2026.

The healthcare benefits industry is changing faster than it has in years...

In this episode of The EOB Podcast, Justin and Julie break down the growing pressure facing Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs), inc... more

This episode got a little… theatrical. 🎭

In the first-ever LIVE episode of The EOB Podcast, Justin and Julie are joined by Shawn Gremminger, President & CEO of the National Alliance of Healthcare Purchaser Coalitions, for a deep dive into one of th... more

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Recent Guests

Jessica Woods
Founder, DEI pioneer, patient advocate; health systems thinker; speaker
Independent/Health Equity Advocate
Episode: Jessica Brooks Woods | Trust, AI, Collaboration & The Future of Healthcare
Shawn Gremminger
President and CEO of the National Alliance of Healthcare Purchasing Coalitions
National Alliance of Healthcare Purchasing Coalitions
Episode: The EOB Podcast Live! with Shawn Gremminger at Elevated Insights Summit 2026
Jaime Greenleaf
Co-founder of Fiduciary in a Box; experienced retirement advisor now working in healthcare benefits
Fiduciary in a Box
Episode: Jamie Greenleaf | Healthcare Fees Are Hidden… And Employers Are at Risk
David Balinski
CEO of Wire Health, focuses on mental health treatment networks
Wire Health
Episode: What If Hospitals Were Treated Like Utilities? | Fixing Healthcare Pricing & more | Friends with Benefits 2: David Balinski of Wire Health
Mike Miele
Health actuary, SVP of Insured Products at Capital Rx
Capital Rx
Episode: Friends with Benefits 1: Mike Miele on PBMs, GLP-1s, and Drug Pricing

Hosts

Justin Leader
Host of the podcast and founder of BenefitsDNA; frequent commentator on health benefits, contracts, and fiduciary governance.
Julie Selesnick
Co-host with legal/compliance expertise; guides conversations on fiduciary responsibility, compliance, and policy in health benefits.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 17 ratings
  • Awesome pod!

    So glad I found this podcast, so informative!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Lindahki
    United States3 months ago
  • Great pod!

    Two subject matter experts pulling back the curtain on health benefits for employers and patients

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    DonovanPyle
    United States3 months ago
  • Listen if you care about your company

    Justin and Julie care deeply about the integrity of how benefits should be handled. They will tell you the truth regardless of what you’ve been told by your current advisors or heard in the media.

    Great things can be done with every employee benefits program, it takes doing the right thing, not the same thing.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    OptimusGroup
    United States4 months ago
  • Terrific Duo

    Justin and Julie are a mission-aligned powerhouse doing a service for their clients and industry

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    LWL1981
    United States4 months ago
  • Great Podcast

    Justin and Julie come with all the info, very knowledgeable!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Justin Douglas
    United States4 months ago

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Guests and topics are consistently relevant to real-world challenges in employer-sponsored benefits.
Listeners appreciate how hosts cut through complexity to reveal practical steps for improving benefit programs.
The show is praised for its candid, no-nonsense approach and actionable insights for procurement and governance.

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Jessica Brooks Woods | Trust, AI, Collaboration & The Future of Healthcare
Q: Tell us more about Health Intelligence Network and who will be involved.
The Health Intelligence Network will include employers, brokers, policy experts, providers, and innovators, creating a diverse table to shape its first iteration with a global, US-led focus and a plan for rapid activation.
Friends with Benefits 1: Mike Miele on PBMs, GLP-1s, and Drug Pricing
Q: Do PBMs pass through 100% of rebates to clients, and how transparent is rebate data?
Capital Rx states it passes 100% of rebates to clients, but transparency varies across PBMs. They discuss the use of rebate aggregators and RxDC reporting as a way to provide granular visibility, with Capital Rx offering more detailed line-item data than many peers.
Friends with Benefits 1: Mike Miele on PBMs, GLP-1s, and Drug Pricing
Q: How do P&T committees interact with financial considerations when formulary decisions are made for high-cost drugs like GLP-1s?
The guest describes a process where P&T committees determine therapeutic value, and when tied, the finance group negotiates, with potential override risks. He emphasizes independence of the committee and the role of data in driving decisions.
Friends with Benefits 1: Mike Miele on PBMs, GLP-1s, and Drug Pricing
Q: Are there any ways to sort of help plans figure out how to cover GLP-1s in a way that doesn't cause a huge cost increase?
The guest explains enforcing strict FDA-based eligibility criteria for weight-loss GLP-1s, considering alternative rule sets (e.g., stricter BMI benchmarks), and using medical necessity via formulary controls to manage spend while staying compliant. He also notes that some plans can use medical expense reimbursement options or targeted coverage to limit unnecessary utilization.
The EOB Podcast Live! with Shawn Gremminger at Elevated Insights Summit 2026
Q: How can employers translate these insights into immediate savings and better governance?
Push for provisions that allow regular data access and clear accountability in contracts, demand disclosure of all compensation and hidden fees, and leverage the RFP process to negotiate stronger terms and direct contracting where feasible.

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Frequently Asked Questions About The EOB Podcast

What is The EOB Podcast about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A pragmatic, policy-forward show that pulls back the curtain on health benefits, EOBs, and fiduciary duties for employers, plan sponsors, and benefits professionals. Episodes dissect contracts, pricing dynamics, transparency rules, and governance with a focus on practical takeaways—how to negotiate better terms, demand disclosures, and apply fiduciary discipline to control costs while protecting participants. Noteworthy is a steady cadence of expert guests and policy-driven analysis, plus a recurring emphasis on real-world implications for employers, brokers, and providers. The format blends legal/compliance insight with actionable strategies, making complex benefit constructs more accessible without sacrificing rigor. Potential listeners w... more

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