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Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners

Stephen Rodney
Artificial Intelligence
Leadership
Private Equity
Latham & Watkins
DLA Piper
Lateral Integration
Linklaters
Law Firm Leadership
Partner Integration
Gunnercooke
Shoosmiths
CMS Cameron Mckenna-Nabarro Olswang Wong?
AI In the Legal Industry
Law Firm Partners
Herbert Smith
Visa
Legal Recruitment
Paris
Walker Morris
Simmons & Simmons

The legal sector thrives on talent, but how do you ensure partner success, both generally and in relation to how new hires integrate and succeed? Hosted by Stephen Rodney, founder of IntoGreat Coaching, which provides tailor made integration programmes for laterals and, previously a veteran of partner legal recruitment. Beyond Billables is the essential podcast for law firm leaders and in house GC... more

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In this episode of Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners, host Stephen Rodney sits down with Will Normand, Head of Asset Management and Funds Partner at Travers Smith, to discuss what makes a successful law firm partner, how legal lead... more

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In this episode of Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners, host Stephen Rodney sits down with Reena SenGupta, who leads RSGI, about how AI is reshaping legal services. They examine AI’s shift from adoption to infrastructure, the changin... more

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In this episode of Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners, host Stephen Rodney sits down with Helen Drayton, CEO of Penningtons Manches Cooper LLP, about leading a growing law firm, developing successful partners, and integrating latera... more

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Reena SenGupta
Leads RSGI, global think tank on strategy, innovation and sustainable future for the legal industry
RSGI
Episode: What the Best Law Firms Are Doing Differently in the Age of AI | Reena SenGupta
Helen Drayton
CEO of Penningtons Manches Cooper
Penningtons Manches Cooper
Episode: What makes a successful law firm partner and leader with Helen Drayton
Ian Rosenblatt
Founder and senior partner at Rosenblatt; podcaster; former student of high-profile UK law firms
Rosenblatt
Episode: Law Firm Success for Lawyers to Become a Partner through Communication Skills with Ian Rosenblatt
Adrian Bell
Managing Partner at CMS UK
CMS
Episode: Leading a Global Law Firm Through AI Growth and Consolidation with Adrian Bell
Roger Bull
Managing Partner, Burges Salmon LLP
Burges Salmon LLP
Episode: AI in Law for Legal Pros to Stay Relevant by Client Relationships and Business Thinking - Roger Bull
Peter Jackson
Former managing partner and CEO of Hill Dickinson; consultant at CM. Murray
Hill Dickinson (former); CM Murray (consultant)
Episode: Why Great Leaders Never Micromanage Their Teams with Peter Jackson
Charles Currier
Senior Partner and Chair of CMS UK and International Offices
CMS UK
Episode: AI Replacing Lawyers for Legal Pros to Stay Relevant Using Client Relationships with Charles Currier
Ben Allgrove
Partner, Baker McKenzie; Chief Innovation Officer; IP/Data/Technology specialist based in London
Baker McKenzie
Episode: Law Firm Partner Success for Lawyers to Build Client Trust Beyond the Billable Hour - Ben Allgrove
Ana Baillie
Midwife and former employment lawyer
NHS (registered midwife)
Episode: The Midlife Career Crisis for Ambitious Pros to Build a Second Career That Matters with Ana Baillie

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Stephen Rodney
Host of Beyond Billables and founder of IntoGreat Coaching, with background in partner recruitment and leadership coaching for law firms.

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5.0 out of 5 stars from 3 ratings
  • Very engaging- even for non-lawyers!

    I came across this podcast as I have a son who is studying Law. Interesting and engaging, certainly for a generalist like me. Probably even more interesting for people directly involved in the Law. The host, Stephen Rodney, injects character and humour whilst really letting the guests speak and express themselves.

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Engaging host who lets guests speak and share real insights.
Great guest variety and practical leadership takeaways.
Quality discussions, though largely focused on US- and UK-based large firms.
Strong value for law firm leaders and aspiring partners.

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AI in Law for Legal Pros to Stay Relevant by Client Relationships and Business Thinking - Roger Bull
Q: What are the three non-negotiable behaviors for you and your team?
Fairness and consistency in treatment, a never-ending curiosity about what clients do, and an unconditional client focus form the core, guiding how decisions are made and how people are engaged.
AI Replacing Lawyers for Legal Pros to Stay Relevant Using Client Relationships with Charles Currier
Q: So what made you go down that route as opposed to the managing partner route?
He explains the preference for a leadership role that leverages his people skills, client-facing focus, and ambassadorial responsibilities, rather than a sole execution role.
Why Great Leaders Never Micromanage Their Teams with Peter Jackson
Q: What are your thoughts on AI's impact on the legal profession, especially for junior staff?
AI can automate repetitive tasks and support due diligence, but senior interpretation and nuanced advice will remain human; firms should train people to use AI effectively, focusing on leveraging technology to augment partners rather than replace them.
Why Great Leaders Never Micromanage Their Teams with Peter Jackson
Q: How did you approach leadership development and succession planning at Hill Dickinson?
I prioritized creating bandwidth through a CEO/COO structure, initiated succession planning years in advance, built pools of candidates, and engaged in a thorough, board-wide process to ensure a smooth transition while maintaining continuity for clients and staff.
Why Great Leaders Never Micromanage Their Teams with Peter Jackson
Q: Peter, what makes a successful partner in your view, and how has that evolved over time?
A successful partner must have strong legal grounding, but more importantly, excellent people skills, the ability to spot problems broadly, deep commercial understanding of the sector, and resilience to build and sustain relationships with clients and teams. The role now requires leadership capabilities, empathy, delegation, and the capacity to lead a firm through change, not just technical excellence.

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The show concentrates on leadership, governance, and strategic evolution within large law firms, with a strong emphasis on how to develop and retain successful partners. Episodes explore culture, delegation, mentorship, client relationships, and the growing role of technology, AI, and private equity in shaping modern legal services. Foundational themes include integration of laterals, pricing transformations, sustainable firm growth, and the human skills required for trusted-advisor clients in an era of rapid change. Notable angles include cross-border leadership, risk advisory, and the impact of AI on practice models, making it a practical resource for law firm leaders, GCs, and partners aiming to future-proof their firms.

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