Making Money

Damien Jordan & Timeyin Akerele from Most

Personal Finance

Financial Education

Investing

Pensions

Investment Strategies

Retirement Planning

UK Economy

Debt Management

Inflation

Investment

Financial Planning

Taxation

Stock Market

Index Funds

Budgeting

Interest Rates

Housing Market

Retirement Savings

Cryptocurrency

Inequality

Learn how to build wealth - investing, pensions, the psychology of money - even things like how to get a payrise. Hosted by the UK’s top personal finance YouTuber Damien Jordan and his best mate Timeyin Akerele, this is the financial education we wish we’d had. Our focus is on the big stuff, teaching the strategies and mindset shifts that can have a significant impact on your financial life. Conta... more

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Publishes	Weekly	Episodes	193	Founded	4 years ago
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Are You Saving Way More Than You Need?

How much can you actually spend in retirement without running out of money? The 4% rule is one of the most popular ways to think about that problem. Abraham Okusanya has spent over a decade researching this very question. He's written a book called B... more

9 Nov 2026 • 1 hr 16 min

Where's the Government's Money Gone?

It's been a few days since the Budget, so there’s been time to get past the headlines and work out what it actually means for you. Timeyin couldn't join me today, so it’s just me and Helen Miller, who's the Director of the Institute for Fiscal Studie... more

2 Nov 2026 • 1 hr 16 min • Most popular

Stay tuned...Budget special coming later today!

We're talking to the Director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, Helen Miller, this morning so stay tuned for that conversation later today!

2 Nov 2026 • 8 sec

Is War the Biggest Threat to the UK Economy?

Two of the biggest economic shocks we've seen in recent years have come from wars: Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the conflict in the Middle East. But what does that actually mean for you? How can conflicts happening thousands of miles away affect ... more

26 Oct 2026 • 53 min

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Recent Guests

Abraham Okusanya

Retirement planning researcher, author of Beyond the 4% Rule and founder of Timeline

Timeline

Episode: Are You Saving Way More Than You Need?

Helen Miller

Director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies

Institute for Fiscal Studies

Episode: Where's the Government's Money Gone?

Duncan Weldon

Economist, historian and author of Blood and Treasure

Episode: Is War the Biggest Threat to the UK Economy?

Tim Edwards

Investment research leader at S&P Dow Jones Indices

S&P Dow Jones Indices

Episode: ⁠Are Too Many People Investing in Index Funds?

Max Warner

Economist specialising in health and social care

Institute for Fiscal Studies

Episode: The NHS Costs More Than Ever, So Why Isn't It Improving?

Swati Dhingra

External member of the Bank of England's Monetary Policy Committee

Bank of England

Episode: Who Really Pays When Interest Rates Go Up? – Bank of England Rate-Setter

Tom Hayes

Former trader, incarcerated for LIBOR manipulation; later vindicated by Supreme Court

UBS; Swiss bank in Tokyo

Episode: Ex-Trader: I Took the Fall for the Financial Crisis

Rob Dix

Finance expert and author; host of The Property Podcast

The Property Podcast

Episode: ARCHIVE: The New Rules For Building Wealth

Stuart Goldsmith

Stand-up comedian and former street performer

Independent artist / comedian

Episode: I’ve Never Had a Salary. Here’s What I’ve Learned

Hosts

Damien Jordan

UK personal finance YouTuber and personal finance educator

Timeyin Akerele

Personal finance presenter

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 1.1k ratings

I don't think that Mr. Dunt has anything useful to say.
His understanding of the energy system is woeful and his ideas on electoral reform are no better.
I love your other content.
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Colin 61
5 months ago
Love the podcast but…
Please introduce guests, there have been a few episodes where it seems like the first few min is just a teaser for the episode but confusingly it’s actually the episode without any context for who the guest is, then we have to try and peace together context through the episode
Apple Podcasts
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somepigeon
United Kingdom6 months ago
Financial faves 🩷
Shows are getting better and better and loving the variety of guests! Really down to earth and insightful for those of us finding our financial way. Plus episodes with Pete Matthews! Financial hero’s together 🩷
Apple Podcasts
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Jackapotato
United Kingdom7 months ago
What nonsense
Listened to one episode, what drivel.
Apple Podcasts
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Antony D
United Kingdom8 months ago
Remainer guests touting 10 year old arguments is so boring
Try and remember over half your listeners voted Leave - your most recent guest touting her book was boring. Republicans buy sneakers gents, don’t trash the podcast by being in your bubble now.
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Podcastlistener9
United Kingdom9 months ago

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A minority object to political commentary or guests they feel are not sufficiently challenged.

Some find certain topics repetitive, particularly recurring advice about index funds, ISAs and pensions.

The range of guests and subjects is a draw, with listeners citing practical learning about investing, ISAs, pensions and debt.

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Spotify	#7	United Kingdom/Business
Apple Podcasts	#7	United Kingdom/Business/Investing
Apple Podcasts	#12	United Kingdom/Business
Apple Podcasts	#226	Italy/Business/Investing
Apple Podcasts	#27	Ireland/Business/Investing
Apple Podcasts	#79	Ireland/Business

Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Are You Saving Way More Than You Need?

Q: How can someone in their 20s, 30s, 40s, how can they use what you've talked about today to make some changes?

Okusanya suggests estimating a target portfolio by multiplying the annual income needed from investments by 20, then calculating contributions based on the time available and an assumed return. He emphasizes adjusting contributions with inflation and pay rises, reviewing pension allocations, and seeking tailored financial planning as retirement approaches.

Are You Saving Way More Than You Need?

Q: So for people who've heard about the 4% Rule, but they don't really understand what it means, could you please explain it in a very easy to understand way?

The 4% Rule came from Bill Bengen's analysis of historical U.S. market data. In a hypothetical 50% stock and 50% government bond portfolio, a 4% initial withdrawal, adjusted each year for inflation, would have lasted through the worst historical 30-year period he tested.

Where's the Government's Money Gone?

Q: Is it credible for us to sit here as a nation and say we can always just borrow if we need to?

Miller says the UK is not near an immediate borrowing crisis, but sustained high borrowing could raise borrowing costs and leave the country less able to respond to a future shock. She argues that the government should stabilize debt while the economy is not in a major crisis and pursue policies that support economic growth.

Where's the Government's Money Gone?

Q: So could you try and summarize that, if you can?

Miller says the Budget has few immediate household measures: most people will receive about £100 through council tax, electricity bills will fall slightly with VAT removed, and fuel duty will not rise. She estimates the average household's benefit at £120 to £140 over nine months, compared with energy bills rising by more than £400. She adds that the Budget does little to improve the longer-term outlook for living standards or growth.

Is War the Biggest Threat to the UK Economy?

Q: Why should normal people care about the bond market?

Government bond yields affect public borrowing costs and taxes, and they set a baseline for other interest rates, including mortgage rates.

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What is Making Money about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Accessible conversations about personal finance, investing and building long-term wealth, with practical guidance on pensions, ISAs, debt, budgeting, retirement and the psychology of money. Damien Jordan and Timeyin Akerele combine clear explanations with personal anecdotes and questions grounded in everyday financial decisions. Episodes often pair the hosts with specialists such as economists, investment researchers and financial planners, while some feature people sharing first-hand experiences of debt, career changes or early retirement.

The mix ranges from individual choices, such as how to invest or plan for retirement, to wider forces shaping household finances, including interest rates, taxation and public spending. A distinctive fe... more

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4. Tim Edwards
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6. Swati Dhingra
7. Tom Hayes
8. Rob Dix

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