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The Non-Billable Podcast

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Private Equity
London
Legal Technology
Litigation
Legal Tech
Quinn Emanuel
Financial Crisis
Everton Football Club
Hill Dickinson
UK Legal Industry
External Capital In Law Firms
Corporate Governance
Regeneration In Liverpool
Litigation Funding
Client Relationships
Mental Health
Garfield AI
Legal Industry
Mergers and Acquisitions
Freshfields

The Non-Billable Podcast takes UK legal professionals beyond the billable hour, bringing you interviews with top lawyers, law firm leaders, industry experts and legal tech innovators to uncover actionable insights on the business of law, career growth and the future of the industry. Hosted by Oliver Attinger, a former finance lawyer at a leading City law firm, and brought to you by Non-Billable, t... more

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Today, we unpack the private wealth angle of Taylor Wessing’s merger with Winston & Strawn. Partners Gabriel Estevez and Nick Warr explain how the firm defines private wealth as a holistic, multi-service offering built around high net worth individua... more

In this episode, Dr Catherine Sykes, a psychologist and coach who works with City lawyers, explains why burnout is so common among high-performing professionals, and why it’s often misunderstood.

Drawing on decades of experience, she argues burnout... more

In this episode, David Nicol, headhunter and co-head of Marsden’s US practice, breaks down the structure of the US legal market and how it has evolved over the past decade.

From the dominance of New York as the global dealmaking hub to the distinct ... more

Isabel Parker, chief innovation officer at White & Case, joins the podcast to talk about what it takes to drive innovation inside a global law firm. A former Freshfields lawyer and Deloitte partner, she shares how her career evolved from practice int... more

John Hutchinson, managing partner of top 100 law firm Broadfield, joins the podcast to discuss the firm’s transformation from BDB Pitmans into a tech-enabled, internationally focused mid-market player.

He explains the thinking behind the rebrand an... more

Pierre Proner is the CEO and co-founder of Lawhive. He joins the podcast to explain how his company is combining AI with a regulated law firm model to rethink consumer legal services. He shares how Lawhive pivoted from initially offering software to ... more

Ropes & Gray has been quietly rolling out one of the most ambitious European growth strategies among US firms in London. In this episode, London managing partner Rohan Massey and antitrust partner Ruchit Patel, who also sits on the firm’s governing p... more

Legal tech has gone from “let’s run a few pilots” to “we need to scale this across the whole firm” - and Peter Duffy says that shift is now well underway in the UK’s top law firms firms.

Peter is the founder of Titans, a boutique legal tech and AI c... more

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Mike Estill
Co-founder of Kindleworth with a background in strategy consulting
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Michael Pierson
Co-founder of Pierson Ferdinand, previously associated with AmLaw firms.
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Episode: The US law firm shaking up London - with partner pay Big Law rivals can't match
Joel Ferdinand
Co-founder of Pierson Ferdinand, with a background at leading law firms.
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Episode: The US law firm shaking up London - with partner pay Big Law rivals can't match
Simon Leaf
Former partner at Mishcon de Reya, co-founder of Three Points Law
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Episode: Leaving Big Law to start an AI-enabled boutique
Alex Fortescue-Webb
Head of UK and Ireland and head of legal engineering at Legora.
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Episode: Inside $1.8bn Legora: Alex Fortescue-Webb on the legal AI platform race
David Morley
Former managing and senior partner of Allen & Overy
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Episode: Why private equity wants a piece of Big Law: Former A&O boss David Morley on what's really happening
Siobhán Lewington
A partner at Macrae in London and transatlantic headhunter focused on partner and team moves.
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Episode: The $20m law firm partner: Headhunter Siobhán Lewington on the battle for Big Law talent
John Haddock
Chief Business Officer at Harvey
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Episode: Harvey: Inside the $5bn legal AI startup taking over Big Law with chief business officer John Haddock

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Oliver Attinger
Host of The Non-Billable Podcast

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How a 245-year-old City firm stays ahead: Wedlake Bell’s Camilla Wallace on external capital, culture and what juniors want today
Q: What do you feel the sort of biggest challenges in leading a modern law firm?
The tech is a huge challenge... the human aspects of how we work is incredibly important.
How a 245-year-old City firm stays ahead: Wedlake Bell’s Camilla Wallace on external capital, culture and what juniors want today
Q: How do you define Wedlake Bell's position in the London market these days?
We have been on quite the journey in terms of size... we're still in this mid-tier market.
Quinn Emanuel co-founder John Quinn on building a global disputes powerhouse
Q: What do you think goes into making a really good lawyer?
Having judgment and the ability to distance oneself from personal biases to assess how decision-makers will react is crucial.
Quinn Emanuel co-founder John Quinn on building a global disputes powerhouse
Q: What was the original idea for Quinn Emanuel and how did you make it happen?
We originally had an idea of having a small branch office that developed into a litigation-only firm after recognizing the strength in that model.
Leaving Big Law to start an AI-enabled boutique
Q: Why did you leave Mishcon?
Simon explains that it became increasingly difficult to service clients in the traditional big law environment and wanted to lawyer differently.

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The show frames the business side of law, exploring how firms grow, compete, and innovate in a rapidly changing landscape. Across episodes, guests discuss topics like partnering models, funding and ownership transitions for law firms, AI and legal tech adoption, remote and distributed work, talent recruitment, and the evolving balance between profitability and client value. Notable throughlines include the rise of boutique and AI-enabled practices, the impact of private equity and external capital on traditional firms, and the ongoing conversations about compensation, culture, and technology driving efficiency. The format frequently features high-level practitioners and firm leaders sharing actionable insights for practitioners, aspiring pa... more

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