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The Non-Billable Podcast

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The Non-Billable Podcast takes UK legal professionals beyond the billable hour, bringing you interviews with top lawyers, law firm leaders, industry experts and legal tech innovators to uncover actionable insights on the business of law, career growth and the future of the industry. Hosted by Oliver Attinger, a former finance lawyer at a leading City law firm with in-house experience at an investm... more

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In this episode, we speak with Simon Leaf - a former Mishcon de Reya partner who has launched Three Points Law, a tech-enabled boutique focused on technology, sport and commercial/IP work alongside fellow former Mishcon lawyer Tom Murray.

After 15 ... more

Alongside Harvey, Legora has quickly become a frontrunner in the legal AI platform race, offering lawyers a suite of productivity tools for contract review, drafting, legal research and large-scale document analysis. Its rise has been startlingly fas... more

In this episode, we sit down with Camilla Wallace, senior partner of Wedlake Bell. A private client specialist who has spent 18 years at the firm, Camilla talks through Wedlake Bell’s evolution from a sub-20 partner outfit to a headcount of more than... more

Private equity is closing in on the legal industry, and few people have a better vantage point than David Morley, former managing and senior partner at Allen & Overy.

After steering A&O through the 2008 financial crisis, Morley moved into the inves... more

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Recent Guests

David Morley
Former managing and senior partner of Allen & Overy
Dejonghe and Morley
Episode: Why private equity wants a piece of Big Law: Former A&O boss David Morley on what's really happening
Siobhán Lewington
A partner at Macrae in London and transatlantic headhunter focused on partner and team moves.
Macrae
Episode: The $20m law firm partner: Headhunter Siobhán Lewington on the battle for Big Law talent
John Haddock
Chief Business Officer at Harvey
Harvey
Episode: Harvey: Inside the $5bn legal AI startup taking over Big Law with chief business officer John Haddock
Sebastian Lach
Partner at Hogan Lovells and head of Eltemate, their legal tech subsidiary.
Hogan Lovells
Episode: Why Hogan Lovells built a 100-person legal tech company: Sebastian Lach on what clients actually want from AI
Stuart Bedford
Global Head of Legal at KPMG, previously Head of Corporate at Linklaters
KPMG
Episode: 'The reality is very different': KPMG legal chief Stuart Bedford on what people get wrong about the Big Four’s legal ambitions
Travis Lenkner
Legal finance expert and member of the senior team at Burford Capital
Burford Capital
Episode: Why investors are eyeing law firms: Burford Capital’s Travis Lenkner on how external capital is changing the market and why Burford prefers minority stakes
Ed Parker
Managing director of Fides Search
Fides Search
Episode: How top firms compete for talent: City headhunter Ed Parker on the high-stakes game of elite lateral partner hiring
Nnamdi Emelifeonwu
Co-founder of Definely and former lawyer at Freshfields
Definely
Episode: How I built Definely: ex-Freshfields lawyer Nnamdi Emelifeonwu on building one of the UK’s fastest-growing tech companies
Jonathan Watmough
Former managing partner at RPC and performance coach
Helping Lawyers Thrive
Episode: How to win the commercial law game: ex-RPC boss Jonathan Watmough on leadership, strategy and why most lawyers miss the point

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Oliver Attinger
Host of The Non-Billable Podcast with a background in finance law and in-house experience at an investment bank.

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Lessons from a Big Law leader: Charlie Geffen on US dominance, the rise of private equity, transatlantic mergers, and why striking deals with Trump made sense for some
Q: How should UK firms compete with US firms?
UK firms should focus on their unique strengths and accept a different position in the marketplace.
Lessons from a Big Law leader: Charlie Geffen on US dominance, the rise of private equity, transatlantic mergers, and why striking deals with Trump made sense for some
Q: Why are US firms more profitable than UK firms?
US firms benefit from a larger domestic market, integration with business, and a greater focus on litigation.
Lessons from a Big Law leader: Charlie Geffen on US dominance, the rise of private equity, transatlantic mergers, and why striking deals with Trump made sense for some
Q: What do you see as the key changes in the law market over the last few decades?
The major changes resulted from globalization and market liberalization, leading to extraordinary growth in law firms.
Inside McDermott's $2.8bn merger: London managing partner Aymen Mahmoud on building a transatlantic private capital powerhouse
Q: What does success look like in five years for this merger?
Success will be measured by client calls on complex issues, being recognized as a top merger partner, and ensuring that employees feel fulfilled and supported.
Why Hogan Lovells built a 100-person legal tech company: Sebastian Lach on what clients actually want from AI
Q: So when Eltemate came about, what did you say to the leaders at Hogan Lovells to make this happen?
Sebastian advised that they could generate profit by using their current tech more effectively rather than requiring significant investment, thus validating the creation of Eltemate.

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This series engages legal professionals by focusing on the evolving landscape of the law industry, providing insights from high-profile guests including top lawyers and law firm leaders. Topics cover the impact of legal technology, strategies for career advancement, and the challenges facing modern law practices beyond traditional billable hour structures. The discussions often reflect real-world applications and aim to arm listeners with actionable insights that can influence their approach to the business of law.

Notably, the conversations frequently touch upon innovation within the legal sector, the integration of technology, and how law firms are adapting to changing client expectations in a competitive marketplace. These elements make... more

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