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The Non-Billable Podcast

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The Non-Billable Podcast takes UK legal professionals beyond the billable hour, bringing you interviews with top lawyers, law firm leaders, industry experts and legal tech innovators to uncover actionable insights on the business of law, career growth and the future of the industry. Hosted by Oliver Attinger, a former finance lawyer at a leading City law firm - now asking the questions he wished h... more

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In this episode, we’re joined by Robert Millard, founder of Cambridge Strategy Group and one of the leading thinkers on law firm strategy and mergers. Robert’s route into the legal industry is anything but conventional - from running a national park ... more

In this episode, we sit down with Ria Karnik, who leads the associate recruitment team in London at Major, Lindsey & Africa, to unpack what’s really happening in the City talent market, and why the associate level has become the key battleground. Ria... more

James Hacking and Mike Estill from Kindleworth join the show to unpack one of the more salient shifts in Big Law right now: senior partners leaving large firms to launch specialist practices - and why the market is suddenly making that move feel much... more

John Quinn is one of the most influential figures in modern Big Law. In this episode, he reflects on how Quinn Emanuel grew from a four-lawyer spin-out in Los Angeles into the world’s leading litigation-only firm - which is constantly rated as the th... more

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Recent Guests

James Hacking
One of the founders of Kindleworth
Kindleworth
Episode: Why more Big Law partners are choosing to go it alone
Mike Estill
Co-founder of Kindleworth with a background in strategy consulting
Kindleworth
Episode: Why more Big Law partners are choosing to go it alone
Michael Pierson
Co-founder of Pierson Ferdinand, previously associated with AmLaw firms.
Pierson Ferdinand
Episode: The US law firm shaking up London - with partner pay Big Law rivals can't match
Joel Ferdinand
Co-founder of Pierson Ferdinand, with a background at leading law firms.
Pierson Ferdinand
Episode: The US law firm shaking up London - with partner pay Big Law rivals can't match
Simon Leaf
Former partner at Mishcon de Reya, co-founder of Three Points Law
Three Points Law
Episode: Leaving Big Law to start an AI-enabled boutique
Alex Fortescue-Webb
Head of UK and Ireland and head of legal engineering at Legora.
Legora
Episode: Inside $1.8bn Legora: Alex Fortescue-Webb on the legal AI platform race
David Morley
Former managing and senior partner of Allen & Overy
Dejonghe and Morley
Episode: Why private equity wants a piece of Big Law: Former A&O boss David Morley on what's really happening
Siobhán Lewington
A partner at Macrae in London and transatlantic headhunter focused on partner and team moves.
Macrae
Episode: The $20m law firm partner: Headhunter Siobhán Lewington on the battle for Big Law talent
John Haddock
Chief Business Officer at Harvey
Harvey
Episode: Harvey: Inside the $5bn legal AI startup taking over Big Law with chief business officer John Haddock

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Oliver Attinger
Host of the podcast, with a background in finance law.

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How a 245-year-old City firm stays ahead: Wedlake Bell’s Camilla Wallace on external capital, culture and what juniors want today
Q: What do you feel the sort of biggest challenges in leading a modern law firm?
The tech is a huge challenge... the human aspects of how we work is incredibly important.
How a 245-year-old City firm stays ahead: Wedlake Bell’s Camilla Wallace on external capital, culture and what juniors want today
Q: How do you define Wedlake Bell's position in the London market these days?
We have been on quite the journey in terms of size... we're still in this mid-tier market.
Quinn Emanuel co-founder John Quinn on building a global disputes powerhouse
Q: What do you think goes into making a really good lawyer?
Having judgment and the ability to distance oneself from personal biases to assess how decision-makers will react is crucial.
Quinn Emanuel co-founder John Quinn on building a global disputes powerhouse
Q: What was the original idea for Quinn Emanuel and how did you make it happen?
We originally had an idea of having a small branch office that developed into a litigation-only firm after recognizing the strength in that model.
Leaving Big Law to start an AI-enabled boutique
Q: Why did you leave Mishcon?
Simon explains that it became increasingly difficult to service clients in the traditional big law environment and wanted to lawyer differently.

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This podcast focuses on providing insights that go beyond traditional legal practices, aiming to reshape the understanding of the legal profession in the context of modern challenges. It features in-depth conversations with prominent lawyers, law firm leaders, and legal technology innovators who share their experiences and knowledge about career development, the future of law, and industry trends. Key topics often include the evolution of legal business models, the impact of technology and AI on legal services, and the shifting dynamics of law firm cultures. The format is likely to appeal to legal professionals seeking to expand their understanding of the industry while navigating their careers and adapting to ongoing changes within the leg... more

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