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The Non-Billable Podcast

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The Non-Billable Podcast takes UK legal professionals beyond the billable hour, bringing you interviews with top lawyers, law firm leaders, industry experts and legal tech innovators to uncover actionable insights on the business of law, career growth and the future of the industry. Hosted by Oliver Attinger, a former finance lawyer at a leading City law firm with in-house experience at an investm... more

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Harvey has become the poster child of the legal AI boom - used by over half of the top 100 US law firms and backed by more than $700 million in funding. But what does the startup actually do for lawyers day to day, and how is it turning hype into gen... more

Few people have had a closer view of the modern City law market than Charlie Geffen. As former senior partner at Ashurst, he helped build one of London’s top private equity practices before moving to Gibson Dunn in 2014, where he became global co-cha... more

Hogan Lovells might not be the first name that comes up in conversations about legal AI, but maybe it should. The firm quietly spun up ELTEMATE, a 100-person legal tech subsidiary, to build tools for clients that go beyond hype and deliver real effic... more

McDermott has just completed one of the biggest Big Law mergers in recent years, tying up with New York’s Schulte Roth & Zabel to create a $2.8 billion powerhouse sitting just outside the top 10 US firms by revenue. The deal was wrapped up in just th... more

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Recent Guests

Sebastian Lach
Partner at Hogan Lovells and head of Eltemate, their legal tech subsidiary.
Hogan Lovells
Episode: Why Hogan Lovells built a 100-person legal tech company: Sebastian Lach on what clients actually want from AI
Stuart Bedford
Global Head of Legal at KPMG, previously Head of Corporate at Linklaters
KPMG
Episode: 'The reality is very different': KPMG legal chief Stuart Bedford on what people get wrong about the Big Four’s legal ambitions
Travis Lenkner
Legal finance expert and member of the senior team at Burford Capital
Burford Capital
Episode: Why investors are eyeing law firms: Burford Capital’s Travis Lenkner on how external capital is changing the market and why Burford prefers minority stakes
Ed Parker
Managing director of Fides Search
Fides Search
Episode: How top firms compete for talent: City headhunter Ed Parker on the high-stakes game of elite lateral partner hiring
Nnamdi Emelifeonwu
Co-founder of Definely and former lawyer at Freshfields
Definely
Episode: How I built Definely: ex-Freshfields lawyer Nnamdi Emelifeonwu on building one of the UK’s fastest-growing tech companies
Jonathan Watmough
Former managing partner at RPC and performance coach
Helping Lawyers Thrive
Episode: How to win the commercial law game: ex-RPC boss Jonathan Watmough on leadership, strategy and why most lawyers miss the point
Tara Waters
A leading voice in legal tech and a lawyer with more than 15 years' experience at firms including A&O, Simmons and Ashurst, where she was a partner and chief digital officer.
Episode: How AI is reshaping Big Law - and why firms can’t afford to wait, with ex-Ashurst digital chief
Scott Gibson
Founder of recruitment consultancy Edwards Gibson and headhunter for law firms.
Edwards Gibson
Episode: '$20 million is the new benchmark in London’: the City’s top headhunter on the law firm partner hiring frenzy, why firms are paying millions and how the rules of partnership are changing

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Oliver Attinger
Host of The Non-Billable Podcast with a background in finance law and in-house experience at an investment bank.

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Inside McDermott's $2.8bn merger: London managing partner Aymen Mahmoud on building a transatlantic private capital powerhouse
Q: What does success look like in five years for this merger?
Success will be measured by client calls on complex issues, being recognized as a top merger partner, and ensuring that employees feel fulfilled and supported.
Why Hogan Lovells built a 100-person legal tech company: Sebastian Lach on what clients actually want from AI
Q: So when Eltemate came about, what did you say to the leaders at Hogan Lovells to make this happen?
Sebastian advised that they could generate profit by using their current tech more effectively rather than requiring significant investment, thus validating the creation of Eltemate.
Why Hogan Lovells built a 100-person legal tech company: Sebastian Lach on what clients actually want from AI
Q: So tell me a little bit about white-color crime because I have to say it's what I find it one of the most interesting practice areas, but I know very little about it.
Sebastian explains that white-collar crime often involves allegations of corruption, bribery, and fraud, which requires significant fact-finding and legal analysis.
'The reality is very different': KPMG legal chief Stuart Bedford on what people get wrong about the Big Four’s legal ambitions
Q: What about the kind of cultural aspect within the wider firm?
Investment in legal services is perceived as a way to drive revenue, requiring integration with broader business services.
'The reality is very different': KPMG legal chief Stuart Bedford on what people get wrong about the Big Four’s legal ambitions
Q: How do you see KPMG's legal offering?
KPMG's legal focus is distinct from traditional law firms, aiming for integrated legal services that leverage their strengths in technology and multidisciplinary expertise.

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This series engages legal professionals by focusing on the evolving landscape of the law industry, providing insights from high-profile guests including top lawyers and law firm leaders. Topics cover the impact of legal technology, strategies for career advancement, and the challenges facing modern law practices beyond traditional billable hour structures. The discussions often reflect real-world applications and aim to arm listeners with actionable insights that can influence their approach to the business of law.

Notably, the conversations frequently touch upon innovation within the legal sector, the integration of technology, and how law firms are adapting to changing client expectations in a competitive marketplace. These elements make... more

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