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The Non-Billable Podcast

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The Non-Billable Podcast takes UK legal professionals beyond the billable hour, bringing you interviews with top lawyers, law firm leaders, industry experts and legal tech innovators to uncover actionable insights on the business of law, career growth and the future of the industry. Hosted by Oliver Attinger, a former finance lawyer at a leading City law firm, and brought to you by Non-Billable, t... more

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Headhunter Scott Gibson returns to the podcast for a wide-ranging conversation on what’s going on in the London partner market. As co-founder of Edwards Gibson, Scott tracks every major partner move in the City and has one of the clearest views of ho... more

Axel Koelsch, COO of private equity-backed legal group Lawfront, joins the podcast to discuss how outside investment is reshaping the UK legal market and why he believes consolidation is still in its early stages.

Koelsch explains how Lawfront’s mod... more

In this episode, Maria-Pia Hope - former managing partner of top Swedish law firm Vinge and now CEO of private equity-backed legal group AGRD - explains why she believes the legal market is entering a “paradigm shift” driven by AI, technology and cha... more

Today, we unpack the private wealth angle of Taylor Wessing’s merger with Winston & Strawn. Partners Gabriel Estevez and Nick Warr explain how the firm defines private wealth as a holistic, multi-service offering built around high net worth individua... more

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Recent Guests

Axel Koelsch
COO of Lawfront
Lawfront
Episode: Inside Lawfront: The PE-backed law firm group betting big on consolidation
Maria-Pia Hope
Former managing partner of Sweden's top law firm Vinge
Vinge
Episode: How private equity is changing the legal market in Sweden
Gabriel Estevez
Head of International Private Wealth at Taylor Wessing
Taylor Wessing
Episode: The private wealth opportunity behind Taylor Wessing’s US merger
Nick Warr
Former head of international private wealth and current UK senior partner at Taylor Wessing
Taylor Wessing
Episode: The private wealth opportunity behind Taylor Wessing’s US merger
Catherine Sykes
Psychologist and coach who works with city lawyers and high-performing professionals
Self-employed; works with lawyers
Episode: A psychologist on why lawyers burn out
David Nicol
US-based legal headhunter and co-head of Marsden's US Practice
Marsden's US Practice
Episode: The rise of the $30m law firm partner: Inside the US Big Law market
Isabel Parker
Chief Innovation Officer at White & Case
White & Case
Episode: How to drive change inside a global law firm: White & Case innovation chief Isabel Parker
John Hutchinson
Managing Partner, Broadfield
Broadfield
Episode: How Broadfield is rethinking the mid-market law firm model
Pierre Proner
CEO and co-founder of Lawhive
Lawhive
Episode: How AI-powered Lawhive plans to build a global consumer law firm

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Oliver Attinger
Host of The Non-Billable Podcast

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Why US firms are still winning the talent battle in London
Q: What should partners consider when weighing offers from US vs UK firms?
Consider cash flow timing, the ability to port a book of business, practice-area fit, and whether the firm offers paths to real partnership in the longer term; US firms may offer higher immediate headline pay but UK firms can provide steadier cash flow and specific practice-area opportunities like corporate real estate.
Why US firms are still winning the talent battle in London
Q: How does the non-equity partnership trend affect UK firms and talent mobility?
Non-equity partners allow firms to offer partner status and allow higher billing rates while controlling overall compensation costs; firms are widening the equity spread and using fixed-share roles to capture top talent without paying traditional equity-level profits to every partner.
Why US firms are still winning the talent battle in London
Q: What are the key factors driving movement in the London partner market right now?
Scott explains that private capital investments, the push for global scale, and ambitious AI-related expenditures are prompting firms to scale up and seek senior rainmakers, with non-equity partnerships growing as a strategic tool to retain talent and manage compensation dynamics.
A psychologist on why lawyers burn out
Q: What would your advice be to someone who feels in that state right now?
Give yourself permission to take time off as a first step, and work through the fear to plan and sustain a recharge for the busy period ahead.
A psychologist on why lawyers burn out
Q: So how does anyone learn to deal with this, combat this? what are your tips there?
It's more of a process than quick tips: move from aiming for perfection to maintaining high standards, which allows for safety and enables focus on delivering for clients rather than constantly monitoring the self.

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The show frames the business side of law, exploring how firms grow, compete, and innovate in a rapidly changing landscape. Across episodes, guests discuss topics like partnering models, funding and ownership transitions for law firms, AI and legal tech adoption, remote and distributed work, talent recruitment, and the evolving balance between profitability and client value. Notable throughlines include the rise of boutique and AI-enabled practices, the impact of private equity and external capital on traditional firms, and the ongoing conversations about compensation, culture, and technology driving efficiency. The format frequently features high-level practitioners and firm leaders sharing actionable insights for practitioners, aspiring pa... more

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