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The Rest Is Money

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Robert Peston and Steph McGovern bring you insightful business and finance stories. Join Robert Peston and Steph McGovern as they delve into the key challenges and opportunities facing today’s business world. From the complexities of tech investments to the impact of political decisions on global markets, this podcast offers valuable perspectives on current financial topics. Whether discussing bus... more

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How fixable is the schism between the rich developed countries, led by the US, and the faster-growing BRICS+ group, led by China, Russia, and India? Can these emerging powerhouses truly detach themselves from the dollar-dominated financial system? An... more

Are we in an AI bubble? Does it matter that Chinese AI firms are banned from using American chips? How big is the chance of an AI crash? Can an AI business survive without energy generation capabilities?

Azeem Azhar – the founder of the leading rese... more

What parts of AI does the UK have to control to secure ourselves against enemies? Does Burnham understand how important AI is for growth and security? Are entrepreneurs less welcome in the UK now? Why should the government support a ‘freedom to fail’... more

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How has Donald Trump got away with bringing in new tariffs when the last lot were ruled unlawful? Why is the UK in a worse position than the EU now? Are trade wars always bad? Had anyone ever won one without harming themselves? Are we ever going to g... more

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Recent Guests

Matt Clifford
British tech investor, co-founder of Entrepreneurs First
Entrepreneurs First
Episode: 300. Does Burnham get AI?
Soumaya Keynes
Economist and trade journalist who writes about economics and trade for the Financial Times
Financial Times
Episode: 299. Trump’s new tariffs - can anyone win a trade war?
Simon Johnson
Nobel Prize–winning economist, MIT professor, chair of the AI Economics Institute
AI Economics Institute / MIT
Episode: 297. How do we reshape our workforce in the AI era?
Gary Stevenson
Equality economist and former top trader, author of a book and documentary
Economics/Trading
Episode: 294. Gary Stevenson – Is being a city trader bad?
Nigel Wilson
Former CEO of Legal & General
Legal & General
Episode: 292. The £6 trillion pot we should use to grow the economy
Paul Johnson
Director at the Institute for Fiscal Studies
Institute for Fiscal Studies
Episode: 290. Can Burnham’s ‘business friendly socialism’ grow the economy?
Stephen Kelly
Former CEO of Sage Group, led UK public-sector efficiency program
Former CEO, Sage Group; advisor to UK government
Episode: 289. Why we need fewer civil servants
Dan Neidle
Tax Policy Associates expert guest on taxation and policy
Tax Policy Associates
Episode: 286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut
Nick Clegg
Former Deputy Prime Minister, former leader of the Liberal Democrats
UK Government / Meta (past)
Episode: 285. Can Europe escape American tech dependency?

Hosts

Robert Peston
Journalist with deep experience in politics and finance; co-host providing policy context and market storytelling.
Steph McGovern
Broadcast journalist and presenter with focus on business, energy, and policy implications for everyday life.

Reviews

3.5 out of 5 stars from 2.8k ratings
  • Steph please stop going on about your business.

    Steph needs to listen more and talk less. She talks total rubbish and is very annoying generally and especially when wanging on and on about her business. More Robert less Steph.

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    TheRealOkosanto
    United Kingdom2 months ago
  • Less disquisition more inquisition

    Listening to Nick Clegg, who spent the last 7 years shilling for company that helped turn the news cycle into a minute by minute, individualised cesspit of polarization, suggest that the “intellectual energy” in the UK is coming from the far right is beyond irony. Zero pushback from Preston, this is not journalism.

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    Mavernish
    Australia2 months ago
  • Predistribution

    Just listened to this. And 40 minutes later I have no idea what this mad woman was on about, barring something about needing more swimming pools in London. Robert and Steph totally dropped the ball on this one. They needed to intervene to try to clarify if there were actually any ideas there.

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    Mark terrace
    United Kingdom2 months ago
  • Good when it’s topical

    Good when we’re getting the hosts’ insights on current/future issues with relevant guests but lately just seems to be an advert for whatever guest’s book every week like so many podcasts that have run out of ideas

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    Siobhan 87
    United Kingdom2 months ago
  • Let's keep trying

    Socialism didn't work before and killed a ridiculous amount of human beings. But let's keep trying, maybe taking money away from people with strong work ethics and giving it to lazy people will work this time.

    Apple Podcasts
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    CBK98
    United States2 months ago

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Listeners appreciate the mix of policy insight and practical industry perspective.

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#141
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Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

299. Trump’s new tariffs - can anyone win a trade war?
Q: Do you think these tariffs will be legally robust, and could they withstand challenges given the previous ruling that similar measures were unlawful?
Soumaya Keynes suggests there is disagreement among lawyers, and while some see potential robustness, the detailed investigation basis and the broader legal framework make them plausibly more robust than the previous tariffs, though challenges and scrutiny are likely to continue.
301. Why the US won't stop China in the AI race
Q: Why is the power and energy aspect such a bottleneck for these AI labs, and who benefits from prioritizing it?
Power is the deciding factor for data-center viability; those who secure energy at scale gain a competitive edge, while regions with more reliable grids—like parts of China and broader Asia—can attract more compute, enabling faster development and deployment.
301. Why the US won't stop China in the AI race
Q: What did you make of Moonshot as a competitor to top American labs like Anthropic?
Moonshot has demonstrated significant performance with a much lower cost and the team emphasizes efficiency and openness; this combination pressures incumbents to innovate faster on cost, access, and service while also highlighting differences in business models.
292. The £6 trillion pot we should use to grow the economy
Q: What would the new PM have to do to get his hands on this money and this potential growth?
Focus on regional leadership, push for a framework that channels pension funds into growth initiatives, and remove bureaucratic hurdles by working with private partners and local institutions.
294. Gary Stevenson – Is being a city trader bad?
Q: Is wealth tax a viable solution, or are there broader structural changes you advocate?
He argues that wealth tax alone is not enough and emphasizes pre-distribution through education, mobility, and regional opportunity as crucial, while acknowledging the complexity of implementing tax-based solutions.

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The show frequently threads together big economic questions with policy and industry insights, mixing analysis of UK and global markets with practical sector perspectives. Episodes commonly feature discussions on energy pricing, manufacturing and UK production, Brexit and European policy, AI and tech disruption, and government strategy around economics and public policy, often anchored by two seasoned hosts and augmented by guests from business, finance, and policy. Notable is the consistent coupling of macro-market themes with on-the-ground industry experience, plus sponsor integrations that reflect the show's intersection of policy, finance, and technology. Potential listeners who want clear, opinionated takes on economics, energy, and bu... more

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4. Gary Stevenson
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