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The Locked up Living Podcast: Surviving and thriving in prisons and other challenging environments

Podcasters David Jones & Dr Naomi Murphy
Mental Health
Trauma
Sexual Abuse
Whistleblowing
Prison System
Therapeutic Communities
Criminal Justice System
NHS
Suicide
Institutional Abuse
Human Trafficking
Trauma Recovery
Child Abuse
Patient Safety
Restorative Justice
Mohamed Al Fayed
Prison Reform
Childhood Trauma
Boxing
Non-Disclosure Agreements

Can institutional culture challenge your mental health? What if your job makes you feel shame, sadness, grief, disgust and fear? What if you are expected not to feel? Or you are expected to be relentlessly competitive? What it’s like to live or work in a prison? Does working with people who commit murder, child abuse and rape affect people who work in prisons and the wider criminal justice system?... more

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Following last weeks expanded conversation with Chris Scanlon about the Henderson Hospital Dr Fiona Warren discusses her journey through her research career which involved personality disorders, therapeutic communities, and service effectiveness. Thi... more

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Five years ago, 2021, David Jones and Naomi Murphy began the Locked up Living podcast. Over 400 episodes later we are still going and are proud of the library of conversations we have produced with so many excellent colleagues. This is an extended ve... more

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In this episode of Locked up Living, Naomi Murphy and David Jones discuss the life of Keith Grounsell, a veteran police officer with nearly 30 years of experience in the field. Keith has spent much of his career navigating the perilous world of under... more

In this episode of Locked up Living, Naomi Murphy and David Jones discuss the life of Keith Grounsell, a veteran police officer with nearly 30 years of experience in the field. Keith has spent much of his career navigating the perilous world of under... more

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Fiona Warren
Research consultant, writer, trainer and coach
Former Henderson Hospital researcher and University of Surrey lecturer
Episode: Dr Fiona Warren (Audio); The Hidden Cost Savings of Henderson Hospital — And What Led to Its Closure despite the research
Keith Grounsell
Former undercover police officer; leader in drug enforcement and police leadership
Law enforcement, Institute of Global Integrity and Leadership
Episode: Keith Grounsell (Audio); Navigating Danger: An undercover policeman’s Journey of Growth Amidst Crime and Family Challenges
Jean Trounstine
Academic and author focusing on women in prison, founder of theater-in-prison programs
Author; Educator; Founder of Shakespeare Behind Bars programs
Episode: Jean Trounstine (Video); How Literature Transforms Women Behind Bars
Barbara Rawlings
Retired sociologist with a PhD (Manchester University, 1980) and extensive qualitative research in therapeutic communities across public sector and forensic settings
CSAAP (Correctional Services Accreditation and Advice Panel) collaborator; Living Learning Experiences in LA
Episode: Barbara Rawlings (Audio); Unlocking the Secrets of successful treatment—What Makes a Therapeutic CommunityTruly Effective
Nujoji Calvocoressi
Therapist and researcher
HMP Send, Democratic Therapeutic Community
Episode: Nujoji Calvocoressi and Sophie Crilly (Audio); Women Convicted of Murder: Insights from Prison Therapeutic Communities
Sophie Crilly
Group facilitator and researcher
HMP Send, Democratic Therapeutic Community
Episode: Nujoji Calvocoressi and Sophie Crilly (Audio); Women Convicted of Murder: Insights from Prison Therapeutic Communities
Sarah Paget
Director at The Mulberry Bush
The Mulberry Bush
Episode: TC Elders (Audio); Connection and Memory: Inside the Therapeutic Community Elders Network
David Kennard
Clinical psychologist with TC connections
Therapeutic Communities / TC network
Episode: TC Elders (Audio); Connection and Memory: Inside the Therapeutic Community Elders Network
Keith Hinchliffe
Survivor of Grafton Close and campaigner for accountability
Campaigner for Richmond Council accountability
Episode: Keith Hinchliffe (Audio); Grafton House, Breaking the Silence.

Hosts

Naomi Murphy
Consultant Clinical & Forensic Psychologist, host with partner David Jones, focusing on trauma-informed perspectives in prisons and other institutions.
David Jones
Forensic psychotherapist and co-host, brings clinical insight into institutional life, trauma, and healing.

Reviews

4.5 out of 5 stars from 41 ratings
  • Brilliant podcast, no punches pulled

    Listened now to three or four fascinating recordings. The hosts and speakers are reflective, direct, honest and forthright. It might be unpleasant or upsetting to others but hearing these accounts and giving people a voice makes change more likely. Thank you and keep going.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Ulongtime
    United Kingdom7 months ago
  • Harrods

    This is dissociative disorder that is associated with depression and anxiety and abuse trauma that I am hearing

    As a therapist my hope is she will in time sooth these winds which will not go away but waves of pain will once given a voice may give her the capacity to learn how to deal with her scars

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    lovealways#
    United Kingdoma year ago
  • One of my favourite podcasts!

    Really interesting and varied conversations- thank you!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    amymcculloch
    United Kingdom2 years ago
  • Tedious, solipsistic and incoherent

    Adman and Scanlon are unable to answer a question and incapable of completing a sentence without two or three ‘ummms’.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Tomz2012
    United Kingdom3 years ago
  • Zac podcasts

    Not sure I agree with the way your reflecting your version of facts but why would you your angry and wrapped up in victim blaming The children do not come last The court system is tough But there is a percentage of men who do suffer and are indeed good enough as father BUT their are abusive fathers so don’t ignore the actual damage that takes place Your anger is noted in this podcasts but maybe you need to explore deeper in therapy Owning your shaming accepting your role and committing to change... more

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    lovealways#
    United Kingdom4 years ago

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Key themes from listener reviews, highlighting what works and what could be improved about the show.

Thoughtful, candid conversations that humanize institutions and trauma.
Mix of survivor stories and professional expertise offers broad appeal, though some listeners want more action-oriented takeaways.
Some episodes feel long or repetitive but stay impactful when guests share new insights.

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Jean Trounstine (Video); How Literature Transforms Women Behind Bars
Q: Jean, you're obviously touching on very sensitive issues like domestic violence and trauma in your novel. How do you balance delivering a message with not over-detailing the content?
I focus on character development first, letting the narrative reveal the themes naturally. I also couple writing with extensive research and consultations with professionals to portray trauma and memory accurately, ensuring the portrayal serves understanding rather than sensationalism.
Barbara Rawlings Video; Unlocking the Secrets of successful treatment—What Makes a Therapeutic CommunityTruly Effective
Q: What are the main differences between hierarchical and democratic therapeutic communities and why do they matter in prisons?
Barbara explains that hierarchical TCs are more top-down with clear staff and resident hierarchies, often rooted in addiction treatment, while democratic TCs emphasize equal status, resident voting, and open communication. The differences influence how problems are escalated, how power is exercised, how residents engage in treatment, and how staff supervise and support residents. The practical impact is seen in daily interactions, risk management, and the potential for recovery within the prison environment.
Barbara Rawlings (Audio); Unlocking the Secrets of successful treatment—What Makes a Therapeutic CommunityTruly Effective
Q: Barbara, what is your view on aftercare and connections to the community once someone leaves a prison TC?
Barbara argues that aftercare is critical for sustaining gains; effective models like Alcoholics Anonymous mentoring within the community and structured pathways from prison to community support help reduce relapse and support reintegration.
Barbara Rawlings (Audio); Unlocking the Secrets of successful treatment—What Makes a Therapeutic CommunityTruly Effective
Q: Barbara, could you summarize the main components that contribute to the integrity and effectiveness of a therapeutic community?
Barbara explains that there is no single component; success comes from an integrated system: strong training, ongoing supervision (including external supervision), well-defined manuals for how a TC should run, community meetings, small groups, voting, and a staff culture that supports reflection andMitigation of bullying.
Barbara Rawlings (Audio); Unlocking the Secrets of successful treatment—What Makes a Therapeutic CommunityTruly Effective
Q: Barbara, could you give an example for listeners to understand the staff-resident dynamics that you describe as supervision and projection?
Barbara provides vivid scenarios where residents' past traumas and projections affect staff, leading to toxic cycles of blaming and counter-blaming; she stresses the necessity of external supervision and brave staff to acknowledge and manage these dynamics openly.

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The show centers on the emotional and operational realities of working and existing within institutions like prisons, hospitals, schools, and the broader criminal justice system. Episodes frequently explore trauma, memory, identity, and resilience, often through intimate survivor stories, expert clinical perspectives, and investigative journalism. Guests span survivors, forensic psychologists, reporters, and practitioners who discuss healing, trauma-informed care, accountability, and systemic change, making it a thoughtful resource for listeners who want practical insights into mental health, institutional culture, and humane reform. A notable strength is its willingness to highlight both the harshness and the humanity found inside challeng... more

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2. Keith Grounsell
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5. Nujoji Calvocoressi
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