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The Deep End

Science News
Deep Brain Stimulation
Depression
Mental Health
Brain Implants
Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis
Treatment-Resistant Depression
Neuroscience
AI Voice Cloning
Electroconvulsive Therapy
Family Dynamics
Jules Rodriguez
Severe Depression
Experimental Therapy
Recovery
Voice Cloning
Artificial Intelligence
Voice
Electricity
Science News
Patients

The Deep End explores the science that changes lives. In Season 2, discover how our voices shape who we are — and what happens when we lose them. In Season 1, meet people testing brain implants for depression. Each season will change how you think about the brain — and maybe yourself.

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Scientists are going to extraordinary lengths to help people speak again. What's next for Jules, and what's next for the rest of us as we search for connection in a world with texts, AI and synthetic voices?

Your voice can now be cloned — and used without you. The same AI that can give a voice back to someone who has lost it can also separate a voice from the person it belongs to. What does this division mean in our modern era?

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Casey thinks of a sentence. A computer says it out loud, in a voice that sounds like his. Brain implants are beginning to turn thoughts into speech, bringing scientists closer to something that once seemed impossible.

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Jules lost his voice. Then AI gave it back. Voice-cloning technology can now recreate voices for people who can no longer speak — raising a remarkable possibility: How much of a person can a synthetic voice restore?

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Kate Nilsen
Speech-language pathologist and professor
Episode: Who owns your voice after you die?
Hany Farid
Computer scientist at Dartmouth College and co-founder of Get Real Security
Get Real Security
Episode: Who owns your voice after you die?
Karina Nagan
Representative of Bridging Voice
Bridging Voice
Episode: Who owns your voice after you die?
Dylan Thomas Doyle
Former hospital chaplain and academic researcher at Northwestern University
Northwestern University
Episode: Who owns your voice after you die?
Casey Harrell
Climate campaigner living with ALS and a BrainGate clinical trial participant
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Episode: What’s it like to speak with your brain?
Lee Hochberg
Director of the BrainGate Consortium and Clinical Trials
BrainGate Consortium
Episode: What’s it like to speak with your brain?
David Brandman
Co-director of the UC Davis Neuroprosthetics Lab
UC Davis Neuroprosthetics Lab
Episode: What’s it like to speak with your brain?
Greg Bryant
UCLA researcher discussing the timing of conversational turns
UCLA
Episode: What’s it like to speak with your brain?
Jessica Piotrowski
Speech pathologist discussing silence and communication devices
Episode: What’s it like to speak with your brain?

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Laura Sanders
Host focusing on mental health issues, particularly innovative therapies and personal experiences related to severe depression.

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4.8 out of 5 stars from 75 ratings
  • Excellent content

    Just finished this awesome podcast and I’m seriously impressed. It is clear, confident, and engaging. Science News made a complex topic like DBS easy to understand, and the interviews were top-notch. Can’t wait to hear what Laura Sanders tackles next!

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    5
    Tdubbs615
    United Statesa year ago
  • Wow

    Powerful story. So well done.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Lpod5273
    United States2 years ago
  • A must listen

    The mix of narrative, empathy and science really makes this story compelling and accessible.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MCM_13
    United States2 years ago
  • Wow

    Powerful story.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Lpod5273
    United States2 years ago
  • Refreshing Dive Into the Dark Pool of Depression

    There is nothing refreshing about depression, but this podcast gives the listener such a real and tangible experience of those who deal with depression. The content and style are palpable for the general public and not just filled with scientific mumbo jumbo. The science is explained in such a clear and concise manner. The tone, intonation and rhythm of Sander’s storytelling makes it easy and interesting to listen to. Bravo to the participants in the podcast for sharing their experience, vulnera... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Lori in CT
    United States2 years ago

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What’s it like to speak with your brain?
Q: What has it been like to have this technology in your home, in your brain?
Casey says the system has helped him reconnect with his family, parent his daughter and communicate with friends, despite its limitations and the effort it takes.
What’s it like to speak with your brain?
Q: Where does the science stand when it comes to decoding the intention to talk?
Speech-decoding brain-computer interfaces are at an early stage, with only a small number of people having used an implanted system to decode speech.
Who owns your voice after you die?
Q: What might grief bots do to people who are grieving?
They may comfort people and help sustain a continuing bond, but they may also make it harder to move forward. The effects and extent of their use remain unclear, and there is not yet enough data to judge their impact.
Who owns your voice after you die?
Q: Can listeners tell whether a voice is AI-generated or whether a clone sounds like the person it imitates?
Listeners cannot reliably distinguish generated speech from real speech, and tests found they often judged a clone made from about 20 seconds of a person's voice as that same person.
Could an AI voice give someone a reason to keep living?
Q: I asked Jules if he can swear with it.
Jules says he can swear and that newer technology lets him control how the clone sounds, including laughing, whispering, and singing.

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A compelling exploration of mental health challenges takes center stage, focusing on individuals battling severe depression and their experiences with experimental therapies involving brain implants. Through personal narratives and candid discussions, listeners gain insights into the transformative impact of deep brain stimulation, while also confronting the complexities and ethical questions surrounding such radical treatments. Each episode features poignant stories of resilience and recovery, emphasizing not only the hope offered by these therapies but also the unique struggles faced by individuals dealing with treatment-resistant depression. With a blend of science and heartfelt human experiences, this series is likely to resonate deeply... more

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