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The Chief Exchange

Ready Rebound
Leadership
Public Safety
Fire Service
Public Safety Leadership
Mental Health
Mentorship
Community Engagement
Policing
Policing Culture
California Highway Patrol
Social Media
Officer Wellness
Miami Police Department
Fire Service Leadership
Organizational Culture
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Potomac River Mid-Air Collision
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Ready Rebound presents 'The Chief Exchange' hosted by First Responder Advocate, Alec Wons, where we talk about the captivating stories from Fire and Police Chiefs across the United States, how to become a fearless leader, the skills needed to navigate challenging situations in work, life and everything in between.

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Ann Marie Carrizales survived childhood trauma, sexual assault, two officer-involved shootings, and a career in law enforcement. But as she explains in this episode, the hardest battle wasn't the one she faced on the street—it was the one she faced a... more

After more than four decades in policing and serving as chief of three different departments, Chief Andy Mills has learned that leadership is far more complicated than most aspiring chiefs realize. From balancing city councils, community expectations... more

Eric Tung didn’t grow up knowing he would become a police officer, but after seeing firsthand the impact of crime and victimization, he felt called to serve in a more direct way. Nearly two decades later, as a Commander and the founder of Blue Grit, ... more

Rachael Staebell didn’t set out to be a trailblazer — she simply showed up, did the work, and followed what felt like home. From her background as a competitive athlete to becoming the first full-time female firefighter in the City of Fountain and no... more

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Ann Marie Carrizales
Retired police officer, US Marine veteran, survivor, international silver medalist in boxing, international speaker
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Episode: The Fight After the Fight: The Opponent You Never See Coming (with Ann Marie Carrizales ) Ep|127
Andrew Mills
Police Chief, Palm Springs Police Department, California
Palm Springs Police Department
Episode: Officer Raises Up 30%, Community Engagement Through Social Media, and "Old Bull and Young Bull" (with Andy Mills) Ep|126
Eric Tung
Police lieutenant with 19+ years in policing; founder of Blue Grit Radio Podcast
Blue Grit
Episode: Your Career is Only One Room in Your ‘Life House’, Your Hard is Your Hard & Stoicism (with Eric Tung) Ep|125
Rachael Staebell
President of Women in Fire; former vice president and second vice president of Women in Fire
Women in Fire
Episode: What You Need to Know but Don’t About Pregnancy in the Fire Service, Women In Fire, The Power in Just Showing Up (with Rachael Staebell) Ep|124
Robert Jonsen
Sheriff, Santa Clara County Sheriff's Office
Santa Clara County Sheriff's Office
Episode: Sending Music Over Memos: How to Connect with Your Employees on a Deeper Level Than Ever Before (with Robert Jonsen) Ep|123
Stefano Napolitano
Fire Chief, Rochester Fire Department (New York)
Rochester Fire Department, New York
Episode: What Outstanding Customer Service Actually Looks Like, Turnaround Leadership, and ‘Read‘ Receipts on Text Messages (with Stefano Napolitano) Ep|122
Ryan Monaghan
Assistant Sheriff, San Mateo County Sheriff's Office (guest)
San Mateo County Sheriff's Office
Episode: When Your Income, Career, and Reputation Are On The Line, Would You Still Do What is Right? (with Ryan Monaghan) Ep|121
Chris Polen
Police Chief, Vacaville Police Department
Vacaville Police Department
Episode: What Do You Do When 42% of Your Department Walks Out the Door in Less than 2 Years? (with Chris Polen) Ep|120
John Donnelly
Fire Chief, Washington DC Fire and EMS
Washington DC Fire and EMS
Episode: The 2025 Potomac River Mid-Air Collision & The Power of Praise When Leading (with John Donnelly) Ep|119

Host

Alec Wons
Host and First Responder Advocate

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 21 ratings
  • Filling a Leadership Podcast Gap

    This show definitely fills a gap: police and fire leaders, as well as others in the first response arena, offer the kinds of insights, guidance and discussion of leadership principles applicable to anyone. The talks reside outside of the confines of an academic approach to leadership and yet are more than just another podcast of “kitchen talk” conversations. Host Alec Wons gives his guests a wide berth and a “no agenda” style of podcast which makes for pure conversations. As a student of leaders... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Chief Dave R
    Canada2 years ago
  • Leadership in our Communities

    Alec….. The Chiefs are helping us understand the challenges and the positive impact they are making in our communities. I appreciate you bringing to life the impact of their Leadership.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    DRJ1964
    United States2 years ago
  • Great Podcast

    The casual conversation and the great information that is learn from these podcasts is amazing. Great job to Alec and all the Chief’s who took the time to meet.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Marcus Images
    United States2 years ago

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The Fight After the Fight: The Opponent You Never See Coming (with Ann Marie Carrizales ) Ep|127
Q: What is something you know now that you wish you had known when starting your career?
There is a fight that comes after the fight, an unseen opponent that only shows up through our own stress, sleep loss, and coping patterns; you must prepare for it just as you prepare for on-the-job dangers.
Sending Music Over Memos: How to Connect with Your Employees on a Deeper Level Than Ever Before (with Robert Jonsen) Ep|123
Q: What practical steps helped you reduce stress and avoid turning to alcohol?
Developing a mindfulness and breathwork routine, building a supportive network, and creating structured wellness programs in the department were pivotal in changing habits and improving sleep and overall health.
Sending Music Over Memos: How to Connect with Your Employees on a Deeper Level Than Ever Before (with Robert Jonsen) Ep|123
Q: What originally called you to service in law enforcement?
A sense of family influence and seeing colleagues' experiences convinced me to pursue a real career in public service after being moved by what I observed in Los Angeles and the Sheriff's Department.
What Most Fire Chief’s Get Wrong About Leadership (with Chief Niemeyer) Ep|73
Q: What keeps culture strong in a winning department, and how to avoid complacency?
Culture is the key; sustaining it requires ongoing effort, leadership attention, and ensuring people feel connected to the mission even as success grows, rather than letting the message grow stale.
What Most Fire Chief’s Get Wrong About Leadership (with Chief Niemeyer) Ep|73
Q: What was one of the biggest challenges in transitioning from Meridian to Boise?
He explains the cultural shift, the importance of listening first, and gradually laying out a vision after engaging with crews, rather than enforcing rapid changes.

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A leadership-focused series featuring fire and police chiefs and public-safety leaders who share lessons from high-stakes incidents, crisis leadership, and organizational culture. Episodes often explore mentorship, staff development, budget pressures, community engagement, and the human side of leading large public safety organizations. Listeners can expect practical leadership tactics, real-world case studies, and perspectives on well-being, succession planning, and cross-sector collaboration that are actionable for aspiring and current leaders in first response and related fields.

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Recent guests on The Chief Exchange include:

1. Ann Marie Carrizales
2. Andrew Mills
3. Eric Tung
4. Rachael Staebell
5. Robert Jonsen
6. Stefano Napolitano
7. Ryan Monaghan
8. Chris Polen

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