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The Christian Past That Wasn't: Formerly Telling Jefferson Lies

Warren Throckmorton
Christian Nationalism
Thomas Jefferson
David Barton
Separation Of Church and State
First Amendment
Racism
Slavery
Religious Liberty
American History
Religious Freedom
Sabbath Laws
Seven Mountains Message
Politics
Lance Wallnau
Donald Trump
Government
Race
Spiritual Warfare
Constitution
Virginia Statute For Religious Freedom

Season Three began April 28. I am renaming the podcast The Christian Past That Wasn't to be consistent with the forthcoming book from Broadleaf Books, The Christian Past That Wasn't: Debunking the Christian Nationalist Myths That Hijack History. This is so much more than a fact-checking book; it critiques the entire Christian nationalist project and misuse of history for political gain. Consistent... more

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During the America 250 celebration, the Trump administration has partnered with Hillsdale College to produce various educational resources to promote a  view of America's founding which is slanted toward Christian nationalism. In th... more

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Chapter 4 of The Christian Past That Wasn't takes up the question of this episode. This episode cites the book and expands on it as well. In sum, I take the position that the experience of colonial and state governments are historic... more

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Today is the official publication date of The Christian Past That Wasn't: Debunking the Christian Nationalist Myths That Hijack History. Although it has been available for a couple of weeks at Amazon and Barnes & Noble, today it goe... more

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America as we celebrate it today was founded in stages. Independence came via the Declaration of Independence and the Revolutionary War. Our current system of government came later via the Constitutional Convention in 1787. In this ... more

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Recent Guests

Aaron Cowan
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Todd Allen
Founder of Common Ground Project
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Paul Matzko
Senior Program Manager for AI and Emerging Technology at the Institute for Humane Studies.
Institute for Humane Studies at George Mason University
Episode: Does Christian Nationalism Work? An Interview with Paul Matzko, Part Two
Andrew Whitehead
Sociologist known for research into fear and Christian nationalism
Episode: The Fears of Christian Nationalism: Interview with Andrew Whitehead
Matthew Bodie
An associate professor of English at the University of North Georgia, author of a book on Charlie Kirk
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Jemar Tisby
Author and historian
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Scott Coley
Author of 'Ministers of Propaganda', critical of the fusion of evangelicalism and right-wing politics
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Warren Throckmorton
Host of Telling Jefferson Lies; appears as the primary moderator and interviewer, guiding historical critique and policy discussions.

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4.8 out of 5 stars from 121 ratings
  • America was not founded as a Christian nation

    A Christian looks at the historical record to find that America was not founded as a Christian nation. And that was a good thing.

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    5
    ΘΔΡ
    United Statesa year ago
  • Excellent podcast!

    This is a fantastic resource for understanding how Christian nationalism came up and the dangers it poses today. I’ve been following right wing Christian extremism since the mid 90s so I’m familiar with many of the topics discussed. While the series begins as a deconstruction of the work of “historian” David Barton, it goes so much deeper than that and digs into the the motivations and goals of the movement and their support of Trump. Highly recommended!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Love it like a love song
    United Statesa year ago
  • Appreciated

    I left Christianity behind years ago. But I really appreciate that there are still Christians around who believe in the separation of church and state, and still fight for unpopular truths. I am still unlearning my homeschool “history” classes from Barton. Thank you for all your efforts in this podcast, it was well-done.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    peanutpicklepopper
    United Statesa year ago
  • Worth the listen

    This is a great podcast and covers a great and important topic. As the main face of Christian Twitter and leader of thought leaders, I’ve given this the CrowdBury Center award for being worthy of the reward.

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    jarransainsbury
    United States2 years ago
  • A must listen

    This podcast is well researched.

    Take the time to listen to this podcast and I bet you’ll agree that the biggest threat to America is Christian Nationalism.

    Apple Podcasts
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    Chair 10
    United States2 years ago

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Engaging for listeners seeking civics and history with practical implications.
Insightful, well-researched exploration of Christian nationalism.
Provides nuanced discussion with credible academics and researchers.
Clear, evidence-based critique of misinformation and historical falsehoods.

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This Present Moment - Interview with Todd Allen
Q: What's the purpose of taking people to history and showing them history they might not otherwise know?
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Q: So where are things now with those general ideas that you laid forward in that book?
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Q: What are you telling people now about the current situation?
I keep telling people, particularly the church, this is not business as usual, and do not count on midterm elections or another presidential election to change the game.
Does Christian Nationalism Work? An Interview with Paul Matzko, Part Two
Q: Has Christian nationalism ever worked?
No, there hasn't been a case where Christian nationalism or Christendom worked effectively; there are always glaring flaws and failures.
What is Christian Nationalism? An Interview with Paul Matzko, Part One
Q: Has Christian nationalism ever worked?
We will address that in part two, but current motivations and historical failures suggest significant challenges.

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The show critically examines Christian nationalism and its use (and misuse) of history, with a strong emphasis on church-state separation as intended by the founders. Across episodes, topics center on debunking myths propagated by prominent Christian nationalist figures, historical accuracy in public discourse, and the broader social consequences of intertwining religion and politics. The host(s) frequently guide listeners through historical context, legal principles, and civics, often featuring academics, journalists, and researchers who can illuminate the movement's origins, methods, and real-world impact. A notable strength is the rigorous, scholarly approach balanced with accessible storytelling, plus connections to contemporary policy ... more

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