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Welcome to "The Convocation Unscripted," a free-wheeling conversation between Diana Butler Bass, Kristin Du Mez, Robert P. Jones, and Jemar Tisby. We are each scholars (three historians and one sociologist) who write about religion and its intersection with culture, history, and politics in America. We also each take our own Christian faith seriously and are deeply concerned about the future of bo... more

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In this live episode, we talk about the hollowing out of the Voting Rights Act that the U.S. Supreme Court has accomplished with its recent LOUISIANA v. CALLAIS ET AL. ruling. The court’s conservative majority found that the Louisiana district repres... more

The White House released a report on so-called “anti-Christian bias.” But who counts as Christian in these claims?

Diana, Kristin, and Jemar discuss how this regime is narrowing the definition of Christianity to a particular ideological and politica... more

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In this week's episode of TCU, we talk about Trump's participation in a public reading of the Bible, sponsored by a white evangelical group, where he read II Chronicles 7:14, a favorite of Christian nationalists. We also talk about the continued plat... more

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On parallel channels over the last two weeks, we’ve witnessed Hegseth’s dangerous holy war rants, Vance’s arrogant lecturing Pope Leo XIV on Catholic theology, and Trump’s direct attacks on the pope, followed by an unhinged promotion of an AI image o... more

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Recent Guests

Angela Denker
A Lutheran pastor, columnist for the Minneapolis Star Tribune, and author of 'Red State Christians' and 'Disciples of White Jesus'.
Minneapolis Star Tribune
Episode: Minneapolis Clergy Standing with Immigrants against ICE, Featuring Rev. Angela Denker
Katherine Stewart
Author of 'Money, Lies, and God,' a critical examination of the anti-democratic movement.
Episode: Money, Lies, and God

Hosts

Jemar Tisby
Host known for scholarly work on race, religion, and democracy; central figure in discussions.
Diana Butler Bass
Co-host; author and scholar, focused on religion, culture, and public life.
Kristin Du Mez
Co-host; historian known for work on gender and religion in contemporary America.
Robert P. Jones
Co-host; theologian and ethicist shaping conversations on democracy and religion.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 90 ratings
  • Soul Giving

    This podcast is exactly what my brain and heart need at this time in our world. Really appreciate the thoughtful and informed discussions. Thank you!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    AKSauls
    United States7 months ago
  • Nonviolence

    Listening to you this morning as we continue to “Keep Steppin “ Thank you for your impeccable civil discourse…all of you bring me hope. If you are unaware of the work of Father John Dear,may I suggest his work on Nonviolence…He runs the Beatitudes Center in California and is a powerful voice for these times…Fr. Dan Berrigan was a mentor of his,they shared jail time together.

    With you in Spirit!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Tyger Toni
    United Statesa year ago
  • Depravity in DC

    As I listened to the recent Convocation, it occurred to me that the current administration (read “regime”) is acting out the shadow side of the United States. All of last week’s reflections from the Center for Action and Contemplation were about how and why our shadow selves are formed. They operate in individuals as well as collectives. The persona that America puts forward has a dark side that has now come to the fore. It’s a revelation.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    SallyCB
    United Statesa year ago
  • So helpful!

    Really helpful conversations by very intelligent and informed people who think from a Biblical perspective.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Muskegon Listener
    United Statesa year ago
  • Keep going

    Please keep this podcast up! I love all the data talks. I hope you guys decide to keep this going. Even if it’s bi-weekly.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    olympian at heart
    Canadaa year ago

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High-quality debates among respected scholars offering fresh perspectives.
A hopeful, civil discourse that inspires reflection without sacrificing critique.
Authentic conversations that connect religion to public life and social justice.
Thoughtful, informed discussions with deep thinkers who care about faith, democracy and the future of the church.
Brings context to current events with historical perspective and scholarly insight.

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TCU+LIVE: Pete Hegseth's Christian Nationalism and the War in Iran
Q: What are your initial reactions to waking up to news of an unapproved war?
There is a mix of shock and concern about the human costs, with emphasis on the lack of congressional approval and the long-term consequences for regional stability and global security.
The Most Important 2025 Election Result: A Reminder that an Authoritarian Future is Not Inevitable
Q: What are you seeing in the numbers? What numbers strike you as particularly promising?
While almost all of Harris' voters voted Democrat, 7% of Trump voters also voted Democrat, indicating a shift that could be significant.
The Good News Episode: Defenders of Democracy are Finding Their Footing
Q: Why ought this rollback of the Voting Rights Act matter to us from a faith perspective?
From a faith perspective, it matters because it is tied to the dignity and worth of every human being and reflects a broader theological principle.
Stuck in the Cycle of Doom and Gloom?
Q: Is it still worth engaging with ardent Trump supporters who believe things have never been better?
It's important to keep talking and sharing experiences from personal lives to open a dialogue.
Trump's State of the Union and the Season of Lent
Q: What do you think is happening in the minds of Democrats, congressional Democrats right now?
Democrats are caught in a cycle of bureaucracy and stasis, struggling to recognize the true nature of the threat from MAGA, leaving themselves vulnerable as they continue with business as usual.

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