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The business of outdoor hosted by Aaron Lutze & Dylan Bowman

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Latest Episodes

The Evolution of Brands, Athletes and Creators

If there's one thing for certain, it's that nothing ever stays the same - doubly so if you're a brand in the outdoor space or an athlete or creator. Over the past year, we've had so many discussions ab... more

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Recently, two long-standing outdoor industry businesses, Alpenglow Expeditions and Thomson Bike Tours, were acquired by Milky Way Park. But while acquisitions are nothing new to the outdoor industry, the way it came together (and continues to develop... more

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The Future Of Investing In The Outdoor Industry

Mel Strong made a meaningful impression during her first appearance on the podcast, and we've got her back on the podcast again to demystify how brands can raise capital, how to speak to boards and VC... more

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Uplifting Talent In The Outdoor Industry

Rachael Burnside saw an opportunity to build a stronger community of women in the bike industry by connecting experienced mentors with mentees, which would help build and retain top talent. The fifth round o... more

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Recent Guests

Adrian Ballinger
Founder of Alpenglow Expeditions, mountain guide
Alpenglow Expeditions
Episode: A Refreshing Approach To Acquisition In the Outdoor Industry
Matt Lloyd-Thomas
Executive involved with Milky Way Park portfolio, former NYT/TCG investor
Milky Way Park
Episode: A Refreshing Approach To Acquisition In the Outdoor Industry
Mel Strong
Investor, Next Ventures
Next Ventures
Episode: The Future Of Investing In The Outdoor Industry
Rachael Burnside
Head of PR and Social at Shift Active Media; founder of Uplift mentorship program
Shift Active Media / Uplift
Episode: Uplifting Talent In The Outdoor Industry
Wylie Robinson
Co-founder, Rumpl (Rumpel)
Rumpl
Episode: The Roadmap Of Rumpl
Dylan Bowman
Co-host of Second Nature and fellow athlete
Second Nature
Episode: The Past, Present and Future of Des Linden
Brian Davis
Entrepreneur and co-founder of Hollow Socks
Hollow Socks
Episode: The Outdoor Brand Spending $1 MILLION On Ads (Every Month)
Stephen Holmberg
A graduate of Harvard Business School and a recurring guest on the podcast
Episode: SN138: Predictions For The Outdoor Industry In 2026
Amanda Carey
President of the National Interscholastic Cycling Association (NICA)
NICA
Episode: Changing The Game For Outdoor Sports

Hosts

Aaron Lutze
Host of the show; co-host with Dylan Bowman; long-time figure in the outdoor industry.
Dylan Bowman
Co-host, professional athlete, and endurance runner with deep experience in outdoor sports marketing.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 238 ratings
  • Always be grinding

    Lutze can ask for the review as if it was his second nature. Gotta respect that and they certainly earned it. Great chemistry between the hosts and super interesting deep dives behind the scenes of the outdoor industry.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Nasmorn
    Austria3 months ago
  • Great perspectives

    Dylan and Aaron have great takes on the business of outdoor.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MicahR21
    United States4 months ago
  • Ask and you shall receive

    Loved this pod since day one - keep doing what you’re doing guys!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Mercpoppa
    Canada4 months ago
  • Interesting and actionable

    Thoughtful and engaging without flippant hot takes

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Sarstow
    United States4 months ago
  • DBo & Lutze are Our Industry Gurus

    If you are at all interested in the biz of outdoor sports, this pod is a must. Their experience, smarts, dynamite rapport, and awesome guests make this podcast a primer for anyone curious about what’s going on behind the scenes of your favorite outdoor sports world.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    al ertaud
    United States4 months ago

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Listeners praise the hosts' chemistry and deep industry knowledge.
The show is seen as a primer for outsiders wanting to understand the outdoor biz behind the scenes.
Guests are consistently described as top-tier and topic-focused, with actionable takeaways for building outdoor brands.

Chart Rankings

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#192
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Apple Podcasts
#241
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Talking Points

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The Roadmap Of Rumpl
Q: How did you decide to focus on blankets instead of expanding into other home goods?
We realized the blankets category already had a large, addressable market and a strong emotional connection; by focusing on blankets we could build a clear brand, maintain storytelling, and allocate resources efficiently, leaving future extensions to a later stage when the core product was well established.
Uplifting Talent In The Outdoor Industry
Q: What are your plans for scaling Uplift and perhaps applying it to other sports?
We want to formalize and potentially expand to running and other sports, perhaps with sponsorship and funding to keep it accessible, while preserving the core mission of mentoring and community-building.
Uplifting Talent In The Outdoor Industry
Q: How do you pair mentors and mentees and manage the program logistics?
Pairing is the hardest part and not purely science-based; we gather mentors' strengths and backgrounds, input from a broader board, and sometimes external review to ensure the best fit, with a six-month relationship to maximize impact.
Uplifting Talent In The Outdoor Industry
Q: What inspired you to start Uplift and focus on mentoring women in cycling?
I wanted to create access to mentors for other women in the industry because I had benefited from mentorship myself, and I saw many capable women exiting the industry for lack of support. The program grew from a women's networking initiative into a formal mentoring system.
The Outdoor Brand Spending $1 MILLION On Ads (Every Month)
Q: What was the skill that you developed along the way that was maybe like the highest leverage?
Sales skills were crucial, as they drive everything in the business.

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The show focuses on the business side of the outdoor world, hosting talks with founders, brand builders, athletes, and industry insiders. Episodes regularly explore entrepreneurship, brand strategy, marketing spend, storytelling, sponsorships, and the evolving landscape of outdoor media, retail, and participation. Notable strengths include deeply researched interviews with top founders and operators, actionable takeaways for building outdoors-focused brands, and a distinctive emphasis on mentorship, community, and authentic brand partnerships that resonate with athletes and outdoor enthusiasts alike.

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Recent guests on Second Nature include:

1. Adrian Ballinger
2. Matt Lloyd-Thomas
3. Mel Strong
4. Rachael Burnside
5. Wylie Robinson
6. Dylan Bowman
7. Brian Davis
8. Stephen Holmberg

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