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Red Bull
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Outdoor Sports

The business of outdoor hosted by Aaron Lutze & Dylan Bowman

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Annijke Wade became an adaptive mountain biker in 2021 after a downhill accident left her with a spinal cord injury. Four years later, she's racing at events like SBT Gravel and Sea Otter Classic, running a nonprofit called Dirt Bound that develops p... more

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Jill Nazeer is the brand marketing manager at Salsa Cycles and one of the most experienced athlete and content marketers in the bike industry. Before Salsa, she was at Diamondback during one of the most interesting periods in mountain bike content hi... more

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Tina and Madison started SENIQ after nearly a decade building careers at Victoria's Secret and Backcountry — and it turns out the most important lessons they carried into their brand came from a lingerie company, not an outdoor retailer. Growing up i... more

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Tommie Runz started running in 2018, a year after choosing sobriety, and began documenting the journey simply because it felt good to share progress and get encouragement. Seven years later, he's built an audience of over 30,000 through nothing but c... more

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Recent Guests

Tommie Runz
A well-known voice in the running community focused on authentic storytelling and athlete-creator intersections
Independent creator; runs multiple podcasts
Episode: He Never Wanted to Go Viral. That's Why Brands Trust Him.
Matt Oesterle
Founder of Ramble Campgrounds
Ramble Campgrounds
Episode: The Last Time Someone Reinvented Camping Was 1962
Martyn Ashton
Founder, Rideable Now; adaptive mountain biking advocate
Rideable Now
Episode: Martyn Ashton on Rideable Now and the Future of Adaptive MTB
Ross McGraw
Leader at Core (heat-training technology)
Core
Episode: You've Heard of Heat Training. Here's How It Actually Works.
Mattie Sims
Co-founder of Courier Socks and Mate the Agency
Courier Socks; Mate the Agency
Episode: The One Question Every Brand Needs to Answer
Tom Austen
Founder of Pelotan and Chance Running
Pelotan/Chance Running
Episode: The Sunscreen Brand That's Rewriting Performance Science
Bill Shufelt
Co-founder and CEO of Athletic Brewing
Athletic Brewing
Episode: Behind The Brand: Athletic Brewing
Morgan Tuohy
Founder of Dera (formerly Near Zero Labs)
Dera
Episode: What Happens When You Actually Ask For Help
Steve Holmberg
Insights expert, Field Check advocate
Insight Accelerator
Episode: You Can Just Build Things Now

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 247 ratings
  • Always be grinding

    Lutze can ask for the review as if it was his second nature. Gotta respect that and they certainly earned it. Great chemistry between the hosts and super interesting deep dives behind the scenes of the outdoor industry.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Nasmorn
    Austria8 months ago
  • Great perspectives

    Dylan and Aaron have great takes on the business of outdoor.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MicahR21
    United States9 months ago
  • Ask and you shall receive

    Loved this pod since day one - keep doing what you’re doing guys!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Mercpoppa
    Canada9 months ago
  • Interesting and actionable

    Thoughtful and engaging without flippant hot takes

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Sarstow
    United States9 months ago
  • DBo & Lutze are Our Industry Gurus

    If you are at all interested in the biz of outdoor sports, this pod is a must. Their experience, smarts, dynamite rapport, and awesome guests make this podcast a primer for anyone curious about what’s going on behind the scenes of your favorite outdoor sports world.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    al ertaud
    United States9 months ago

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Listeners value the hosts' industry credibility and chemistry.
Shows are praised for depth and practical takeaways rather than fluff.
Guests consistently provide actionable, inside-baseball insights for outdoor biz.

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Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

What Victoria's Secret Taught Two Founders About the Outdoor Industry
Q: What was the moment you felt this could really work, and how did you capitalize on that momentum?
Early triumphs like the first fitting, successful launch day, and later retailer interest (especially REI) gave us confidence. We leaned into those moments, leaned on our relationships, and relentlessly executed in-store and in community events to convert momentum into a sustainable path.
What Victoria's Secret Taught Two Founders About the Outdoor Industry
Q: What did you put into the business plan for others starting this process, and where did expectation meet reality?
We used a simple, online template and added a strong visual world around the brand to guide decisions, from customer archetypes to launch timelines. Expectation and reality diverged as we learned from actual launches, but the plan served as a flexible guide rather than a rigid map.
He Never Wanted to Go Viral. That's Why Brands Trust Him.
Q: What role does representation play in trail running and how should brands respond?
Tommie highlights the lack of diversity in trail, calls for brands to do the legwork to identify and support underrepresented voices, and argues for fair exchanges that uplift communities rather than token gestures.
He Never Wanted to Go Viral. That's Why Brands Trust Him.
Q: How do you think about pricing, pitching, and long-term partnerships?
He describes using a flexible approach, learning from peers, and gradually moving toward longer-term deals; emphasizes not undervaluing himself, asking for fair compensation, and using a concise pitch with clear value for the brand.
The Last Time Someone Reinvented Camping Was 1962
Q: How do you plan to scale Ramble to hundreds of locations while maintaining service quality?
By codifying operations with rigorous processes, backing them with real-time service metrics, training, and centralized support, while preserving a guest-first philosophy that ensures high satisfaction even as the footprint expands.

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This show targets professionals and enthusiasts in the outdoor industry who want practical insights on building brands, partnerships, and media in outdoor sports. Across episodes, recurring themes include brand storytelling, creator collaborations, athlete partnerships, and the business mechanics behind outdoor ventures. Notable angles include leveraging mentorship, AI for visibility, and ecosystem-building around events and media. A distinct strength is the hosts' industry experience and their ability to extract actionable takeaways from guests ranging from brand founders to media leaders, often with a focus on long-term value over quick wins.

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1. The Freetrail Podcast with Dylan Bowman
2. The Boulder Boys Show
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4. The Trail Network Podcast
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1. Tommie Runz
2. Matt Oesterle
3. Martyn Ashton
4. Ross McGraw
5. Mattie Sims
6. Tom Austen
7. Bill Shufelt
8. Morgan Tuohy

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