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Outdoor Sports

The business of outdoor hosted by Aaron Lutze & Dylan Bowman

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Steve Holmberg and Matt Trappe are back for a debrief on one of the biggest weeks in trail running — Broken Arrow, Western States, and everything in between at TrailCon. Steve breaks down his state-of-the-industry analysis: why trail running's rebran... more

Matt Oesterle built his first company, Callisto Media, from zero to $85 million in revenue by using data to disrupt the book publishing industry. Then he sold it to Penguin Random House and asked himself: what's the next industry that hasn't been for... more

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Martyn Ashton spent two decades as one of the most influential trials riders in the world — making the smallest, most niche discipline of mountain biking accessible and exciting for a global audience through videos, shows, and a personality that made... more

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Ross McGraw has had one of the more interesting career arcs in the outdoor industry — from Nike's NYC Run program to Vice Media and Viacom, to helping build Hammerhead through its acquisition by SRAM, and now leading commercial efforts at CORE, the c... more

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Recent Guests

Ross McGraw
Leader at Core (heat-training technology)
Core
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Mattie Sims
Co-founder of Courier Socks and Mate the Agency
Courier Socks; Mate the Agency
Episode: The One Question Every Brand Needs to Answer
Tom Austen
Founder of Pelotan and Chance Running
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Episode: The Sunscreen Brand That's Rewriting Performance Science
Bill Shufelt
Co-founder and CEO of Athletic Brewing
Athletic Brewing
Episode: Behind The Brand: Athletic Brewing
Morgan Tuohy
Founder of Dera (formerly Near Zero Labs)
Dera
Episode: What Happens When You Actually Ask For Help
Steve Holmberg
Insights expert, Field Check advocate
Insight Accelerator
Episode: You Can Just Build Things Now
Maren Hamilton
Head of Marketing at Popfly
Popfly
Episode: What 5.5 Million Followers Taught Her About Brand Social
Matt Trappe
Photographer, writer, founder of Matter of Brand
Matter of Brand / Photographer
Episode: What Outdoor Brands Get Wrong About Storytelling
Michael Rueckert
Founder of Centium AI
Centium AI
Episode: Why PR Is Now More Powerful Than Paid Search

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 245 ratings
  • Always be grinding

    Lutze can ask for the review as if it was his second nature. Gotta respect that and they certainly earned it. Great chemistry between the hosts and super interesting deep dives behind the scenes of the outdoor industry.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Nasmorn
    Austria7 months ago
  • Great perspectives

    Dylan and Aaron have great takes on the business of outdoor.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MicahR21
    United States8 months ago
  • Ask and you shall receive

    Loved this pod since day one - keep doing what you’re doing guys!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Mercpoppa
    Canada8 months ago
  • Interesting and actionable

    Thoughtful and engaging without flippant hot takes

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Sarstow
    United States8 months ago
  • DBo & Lutze are Our Industry Gurus

    If you are at all interested in the biz of outdoor sports, this pod is a must. Their experience, smarts, dynamite rapport, and awesome guests make this podcast a primer for anyone curious about what’s going on behind the scenes of your favorite outdoor sports world.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    al ertaud
    United States8 months ago

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Listeners value the hosts' industry credibility and chemistry.
Shows are praised for depth and practical takeaways rather than fluff.
Guests consistently provide actionable, inside-baseball insights for outdoor biz.

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Behind The Brand: Athletic Brewing
Q: How did you finance the company in the early days and what challenges did you face with investors?
Initial funding was challenging; many early investors were wary of a non-alcoholic beer with little momentum. Over time momentum grew as angel investors became supporters and the founder updates helped maintain engagement, leading to an oversubscribed round after many meetings and refinements to the pitch.
What 5.5 Million Followers Taught Her About Brand Social
Q: How did you interface with athletes to maximize value and authenticity in brand storytelling?
Athletes were positioned at the center of social storytelling, trained with platform-specific best practices, integrated with the creator ecosystem, and encouraged to participate in content that extended beyond podium moments to broader brand narratives.
What 5.5 Million Followers Taught Her About Brand Social
Q: What was your job-to-be-done at The North Face in social, and how did you approach it as a brand?
The job was to elevate social from a channel mindset to a core expression of how the brand shows up in the world, incorporating brand strategy with sports, product, and community to make social a living reflection of the brand rather than a simple advertisement.
Bikes Are Bigger Than the Bike Industry Thinks
Q: How do e-bikes fit into the broader transportation and cycling ecosystem according to the panelists?
E-bikes are seen as both a mobility solution and a gateway to broader cycling participation; commuter-focused models from new brands are challenging legacy bike brands on price, accessibility, and urban utility, while regulations evolve by region.
Bikes Are Bigger Than the Bike Industry Thinks
Q: What were the major themes at the Bicycle Leadership Conference you attended?
E-bikes and infrastructure dominated discussions, with AI and tariffs taking a smaller role; the conversations highlighted regulatory complexity, urban mobility opportunities, and the need for meaningful leadership in cycling infrastructure.

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This show targets professionals and enthusiasts in the outdoor industry who want practical insights on building brands, partnerships, and media in outdoor sports. Across episodes, recurring themes include brand storytelling, creator collaborations, athlete partnerships, and the business mechanics behind outdoor ventures. Notable angles include leveraging mentorship, AI for visibility, and ecosystem-building around events and media. A distinct strength is the hosts' industry experience and their ability to extract actionable takeaways from guests ranging from brand founders to media leaders, often with a focus on long-term value over quick wins.

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1. The Boulder Boys Show
2. The Freetrail Podcast with Dylan Bowman
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4. The Trail Network Podcast
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2. Mattie Sims
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4. Bill Shufelt
5. Morgan Tuohy
6. Steve Holmberg
7. Maren Hamilton
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