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Red Bull
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Community Engagement
Product Development
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Youtube
Triathlon
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Social Media Marketing
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Outdoor Sports

The business of outdoor hosted by Aaron Lutze & Dylan Bowman

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Michael Rueckert was a ski resort marketing director who got curious about a simple question: when someone asks an AI where to ski, does Snow Basin show up? That curiosity led him down a rabbit hole that eventually became Centium AI, a platform now w... more

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We hosted a Second Nature meetup with everyone at the Sea Otter Classic, and pulled a handful of friends up to the microphone to have conversations about everything happening in the industry and in their world at large.

Jeremy Dunn, Braydon Bringh... more

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What if bikes could transform cities, create economies, and solve problems nobody thought they were for?

We're joined today by Peter Abraham, one of the most connected strategic minds in the bike industry, just ahead of Sea Otter Classic. We cover ... more

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150 episodes. Two years. No shortage of stuff happening.

On this milestone bro pod, we take stock of where Second Nature has been — and where things are heading. Digging into what's actually changed in 2026: what we've removed, working with an exec... more

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Recent Guests

Braydon Bringhurst
Founder of Hard MTB
Hard MTB
Episode: Athletes, Managers, Founders — Sea Otter Unfiltered
Steve Blick
Athlete marketing veteran
Independent/Agency
Episode: Athletes, Managers, Founders — Sea Otter Unfiltered
Tom from Pelotan
Representative from Pelotan sunscreen
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Floris Gierman
Founder, content creator, author
Path Projects; Extra Mylist; Running Breakthroughs
Episode: Why Curiosity Outlasts Strategy
Adrian Ballinger
Founder of Alpenglow Expeditions, mountain guide
Alpenglow Expeditions
Episode: A Refreshing Approach To Acquisition In the Outdoor Industry
Matt Lloyd-Thomas
Executive involved with Milky Way Park portfolio, former NYT/TCG investor
Milky Way Park
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Mel Strong
Investor, Next Ventures
Next Ventures
Episode: The Future Of Investing In The Outdoor Industry
Rachael Burnside
Head of PR and Social at Shift Active Media; founder of Uplift mentorship program
Shift Active Media / Uplift
Episode: Uplifting Talent In The Outdoor Industry
Wylie Robinson
Co-founder, Rumpl (Rumpel)
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Episode: The Roadmap Of Rumpl

Hosts

Aaron Lutze
Host of the show; co-host with Dylan Bowman; long-time figure in the outdoor industry.
Dylan Bowman
Co-host, professional athlete, and endurance runner with deep experience in outdoor sports marketing.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 242 ratings
  • Always be grinding

    Lutze can ask for the review as if it was his second nature. Gotta respect that and they certainly earned it. Great chemistry between the hosts and super interesting deep dives behind the scenes of the outdoor industry.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Nasmorn
    Austria4 months ago
  • Great perspectives

    Dylan and Aaron have great takes on the business of outdoor.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MicahR21
    United States5 months ago
  • Ask and you shall receive

    Loved this pod since day one - keep doing what you’re doing guys!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Mercpoppa
    Canada5 months ago
  • Interesting and actionable

    Thoughtful and engaging without flippant hot takes

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Sarstow
    United States5 months ago
  • DBo & Lutze are Our Industry Gurus

    If you are at all interested in the biz of outdoor sports, this pod is a must. Their experience, smarts, dynamite rapport, and awesome guests make this podcast a primer for anyone curious about what’s going on behind the scenes of your favorite outdoor sports world.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    al ertaud
    United States5 months ago

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The show is seen as a primer for outsiders wanting to understand the outdoor biz behind the scenes.
Guests are consistently described as top-tier and topic-focused, with actionable takeaways for building outdoor brands.

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#208
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Bikes Are Bigger Than the Bike Industry Thinks
Q: How do e-bikes fit into the broader transportation and cycling ecosystem according to the panelists?
E-bikes are seen as both a mobility solution and a gateway to broader cycling participation; commuter-focused models from new brands are challenging legacy bike brands on price, accessibility, and urban utility, while regulations evolve by region.
Bikes Are Bigger Than the Bike Industry Thinks
Q: What were the major themes at the Bicycle Leadership Conference you attended?
E-bikes and infrastructure dominated discussions, with AI and tariffs taking a smaller role; the conversations highlighted regulatory complexity, urban mobility opportunities, and the need for meaningful leadership in cycling infrastructure.
Bikes Are Bigger Than the Bike Industry Thinks
Q: Okay, let's start with Sea Otter. What makes Sea Otter such a focal point for the bike industry this week?
Sea Otter is a convergence of brands, media, athletes, and audiences, creating a unique environment for collaboration and visibility, which is why the guests emphasize its importance as the season kickoff and a testing ground for activations.
The Roadmap Of Rumpl
Q: How did you decide to focus on blankets instead of expanding into other home goods?
We realized the blankets category already had a large, addressable market and a strong emotional connection; by focusing on blankets we could build a clear brand, maintain storytelling, and allocate resources efficiently, leaving future extensions to a later stage when the core product was well established.
Uplifting Talent In The Outdoor Industry
Q: What are your plans for scaling Uplift and perhaps applying it to other sports?
We want to formalize and potentially expand to running and other sports, perhaps with sponsorship and funding to keep it accessible, while preserving the core mission of mentoring and community-building.

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The show focuses on the business side of the outdoor world, hosting talks with founders, brand builders, athletes, and industry insiders. Episodes regularly explore entrepreneurship, brand strategy, marketing spend, storytelling, sponsorships, and the evolving landscape of outdoor media, retail, and participation. Notable strengths include deeply researched interviews with top founders and operators, actionable takeaways for building outdoors-focused brands, and a distinctive emphasis on mentorship, community, and authentic brand partnerships that resonate with athletes and outdoor enthusiasts alike.

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1. The Freetrail Podcast with Dylan Bowman
2. The Boulder Boys Show
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4. The Trail Network Podcast
5. Trail Society

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Recent guests on Second Nature include:

1. Braydon Bringhurst
2. Steve Blick
3. Tom from Pelotan
4. Floris Gierman
5. Adrian Ballinger
6. Matt Lloyd-Thomas
7. Mel Strong
8. Rachael Burnside

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