
The business of outdoor hosted by Aaron Lutze & Dylan Bowman
| Publishes | Weekly | Episodes | 166 | Founded | 2 years ago |
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| Number of Listeners | Categories | SportsBusiness | |||

Steve Holmberg and Matt Trappe are back for a debrief on one of the biggest weeks in trail running — Broken Arrow, Western States, and everything in between at TrailCon. Steve breaks down his state-of-the-industry analysis: why trail running's rebran... more
Matt Oesterle built his first company, Callisto Media, from zero to $85 million in revenue by using data to disrupt the book publishing industry. Then he sold it to Penguin Random House and asked himself: what's the next industry that hasn't been for... more
Martyn Ashton spent two decades as one of the most influential trials riders in the world — making the smallest, most niche discipline of mountain biking accessible and exciting for a global audience through videos, shows, and a personality that made... more
Ross McGraw has had one of the more interesting career arcs in the outdoor industry — from Nike's NYC Run program to Vice Media and Viacom, to helping build Hammerhead through its acquisition by SRAM, and now leading commercial efforts at CORE, the c... more
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Lutze can ask for the review as if it was his second nature. Gotta respect that and they certainly earned it. Great chemistry between the hosts and super interesting deep dives behind the scenes of the outdoor industry.
Dylan and Aaron have great takes on the business of outdoor.
Loved this pod since day one - keep doing what you’re doing guys!
Thoughtful and engaging without flippant hot takes
If you are at all interested in the biz of outdoor sports, this pod is a must. Their experience, smarts, dynamite rapport, and awesome guests make this podcast a primer for anyone curious about what’s going on behind the scenes of your favorite outdoor sports world.
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Apple Podcasts | #215 |
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This show targets professionals and enthusiasts in the outdoor industry who want practical insights on building brands, partnerships, and media in outdoor sports. Across episodes, recurring themes include brand storytelling, creator collaborations, athlete partnerships, and the business mechanics behind outdoor ventures. Notable angles include leveraging mentorship, AI for visibility, and ecosystem-building around events and media. A distinct strength is the hosts' industry experience and their ability to extract actionable takeaways from guests ranging from brand founders to media leaders, often with a focus on long-term value over quick wins.
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These podcasts share a similar audience with Second Nature:
1. The Boulder Boys Show
2. The Freetrail Podcast with Dylan Bowman
3. Singletrack
4. The Trail Network Podcast
5. Trail Society
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Recent guests on Second Nature include:
1. Ross McGraw
2. Mattie Sims
3. Tom Austen
4. Bill Shufelt
5. Morgan Tuohy
6. Steve Holmberg
7. Maren Hamilton
8. Matt Trappe
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