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Some Work, All Play

David Roche and Megan Roche
Nutrition
Running
Heat Training
Western States 100
Ultra Running
Strength Training
Mental Health
Western States
Fatigue Resistance
Cross-Training
Leadville 100
Hydration
Olympic Trials
Endurance Training
Trail Running
UTMB
Running Economy
Kilian Jornet
2024
Javelina 100

Five to ten topics, sometimes about running, with lots of love and enthusiasm and science. We dig deep into training, races, studies, pop culture, and much more! With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche!

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We weren’t intending to have so many controversial stories this week, but here we are with some spicy topics on our hands.

The main discussion was new research on Ethiopian athlete training, described as an “AI-assisted” study. The findings are coo... more

We worked on our crawling economy before this great episode! The main training topic was a study on the “VO2 slow” component that may show why longer, harder intervals can actually be counterproductive for aerobic performance in some situations. At l... more

We brought some big foot energy to this great episode! The main training topic was a discussion of “zone compression,” where harder efforts get sustainable for longer durations in weird and wild ways. Our theory: zone compression techniques are drivi... more

We excavated sand from sensitive places before this great episode! A main topic was a new study on cold water immersion, with surprising results that contrasted with the hypothesis of researchers and upended the conventional exercise physiology wisdo... more

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Recent Guests

Amanda Vestri
Marathoner, guest visitor
Florida
Episode: 324. Why Longer Intervals May Be Worse (Sometimes), Carb Totals in Cycling, US Champ Doping, and Squats for Endurance Athletes
Rachel Entrekin
Elite ultramarathon runner, Coco Dona history-maker
Episode: 310. The Fatigue Resistance Episode! Rachel Entrekin Makes History at Cocodona, Women v. Men Durability, Fueling and the Central Nervous System, Brain Changes, and More
Tara Dower
Ultra athlete who set the overall FKT record on the Appalachian Trail
Episode: 225. Kilian's Wild Physiology Data, Tara Dower Sets the Overall AT Record, The Next Race After Leadville, 7 Ultra Logistics Tips, and How Elite Athletes Eat!
Allie Ostrander
Endurance athlete and YouTuber, known for her vulnerability in sharing her journey with eating disorders and competitive racing.
Episode: 190. Optimizing Testosterone Levels, Lower Mileage Training, Breathing and Stress, and US Cross Country!

Hosts

Megan Roche
Co-host and physician-coach focused on training theory and endurance science; host of the show.
David Roche
Co-host and endurance coach sharing personal athletic journey and coaching insights.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 5.8k ratings
  • Informative, yet fun!

    I recently discovered this podcast in 2026, and started from episode 1! Primarily listens to it during my indoor workouts, and it had been a blast. I love the humor and the wits. I’d definitely be listening to it until I catch-up to the latest!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    AdrielDG
    Philippinesa month ago
  • Love SWAP

    Awesome mix of science and laughs. Love the training plans on Patreon too.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    NoviceNaturalist
    United States2 months ago
  • Cutting Edge Science + Whole Lotta Love

    Pretty great combination if you’re looking to learn more about aerobic development, training, being a better human, or just want to laugh for 90 minutes.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Adam Schmehl
    United States2 months ago
  • Grew on me!

    This podcast was NOT love at first listen for me but in 2 years, I don’t think I’ve missed a single episode! Their breakdown of real science and ability to apply it to athletes producing real results keeps me coming back. I learn something new and get a good laugh every time!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Running science nerd
    United States2 months ago
  • Funny and Informative

    Guys, I love the show. I always laugh—“stroke volume”—but I was really disappointed to hear you be so careless with the Cameron Hanes debacle. He took the peptide one time in 2024 to help heal a broken foot. Being clear about the information would have been more responsible. If a peptide could heal Megan’s heart, would she avail herself of it only to be called a “doper?” One peptide shot—given at a doctor’s office in 2024—didn’t make Cameron Hanes a phenomenal athlete. Cheers.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ManInProgress
    United States3 months ago

Listeners Say

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Strong on fueling strategies and race-day practicality.
Seasoned athletes will love the coaching depth and humor.
Honest discussions about controversial topics feel balanced and thoughtful.
Listener community is supportive and educational.
Runners get science without the jargon and a great vibe.

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#3
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Apple Podcasts
#191
United States/Sports
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#4
Canada/Sports/Running
Apple Podcasts
#17
United Kingdom/Sports/Running
Apple Podcasts
#163
Canada/Sports
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#16
Australia/Sports/Running

Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

322. Why Exercise Physiology Wisdom Can Be Wrong, Doping in Ultrarunning, Bicarb in Long Races, and AI Controversy!
Q: How should athletes approach returning to running after a calcaneal stress fracture when fear of downhill running arises?
The hosts advise acknowledging the fear, seeking support from therapists or loved ones, gradually reintroducing running with a cautious, patient approach, using a structured return-to-run plan, and prioritizing long-term health over short-term gains.
319. New Fueling Lessons from The Tour de France, Uphill Treadmill Threshold Theory, Prototype Shoe Ranting, The Hardrock 100, and Coaching Questions!
Q: What are your thoughts on Viagra being used to help altitude performance, and how solid is the evidence?
They discuss that Viagra has a potential mechanism via vasodilation that could help at very high altitudes, but the evidence is mixed and not conclusive. They also mention alternative vasodilators like L-citrulline and beetroot, stress that anything should be discussed with a doctor, and emphasize that performance outcomes vary greatly between individuals.
317. HISTORY at Western States 100! A Full Breakdown. Plus High Carb Study and Questions!
Q: Is there a minimum percentage of current mileage that should be maintained to be able to build smoothly back to similar fitness in the future?
The hosts suggest maintaining consistent base mileage with gradual cameling, recommending that you could drop to as low as 20-30 miles per week if needed, but emphasize continuing some load (30-60 minutes of hills, strides) to preserve fitness and then ramp back up when time allows.
315. How Lower Carb Arguments Miss The Mark, Answering Bicarb Questions, Overload Weeks, and Heat Training!
Q: Is an upcoming big race realistic to enter far out?
Yes, set an ambitious goal years out, then structure training progressively toward it and stay flexible as the body adapts.
315. How Lower Carb Arguments Miss The Mark, Answering Bicarb Questions, Overload Weeks, and Heat Training!
Q: Fueling timing for big mountain runs?
Gas more carbs during long, high-effort segments, and adjust during downhill or lower-intensity portions; overall, fuel strategy should be effort-driven rather than rigid rules.

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Frequently Asked Questions About Some Work, All Play

What is Some Work, All Play about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Two endurance athletes and coaches discuss running, training science, fueling strategies, and real-world racing experiences with a down-to-earth, science-forward vibe. Episodes mix practical coaching tips, data-backed insights, and candid personal stories, often weaving in gear, nutrition experiments, and behind-the-scenes race narratives. The hosts' approachable banter and willingness to tackle controversial topics or evolving science make it a go-to for runners who want both clarity and motivation. A notable strength is the strong emphasis on applying research to practice while keeping humor and accessibility front and center, with ongoing creator-led content on coaching plans and Patreon exclusives that deepen the learning for serious at... more

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