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Talking about using leverage in life and business.

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Jon and Peter break down the two-step system Jon uses to put the phone down on weekends: uninstall the apps and route notifications through an AI agent so you never touch the dopamine loop directly. Also: Sagan's first in-person AI event in San Diego... more

Jon and Peter break down the simplifying framework quietly running their entire business strategy: the 2 numbers every CEO needs to track, pulled from Justin Roff-Marsh's speed-based operating system and theory of constraints. Why most business owner... more

Jon sits down with Austen Ebenger, a 28-year-old Wharton undergrad and NYU Stern MBA who left private equity in Boston, moved back in with his parents, and bought a $5.4M pool construction business in Orlando. In the first 90 days he lost $200,000 on... more

You have money. You don't have time. Jon and Peter break down the 3-level hierarchy of buying back your time, pulled from Dan Martell's framework by way of a viral Jeremy Haynes post. Cleaners and food delivery. House managers and executive assistant... more

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Recent Guests

Austen Ebenger
Pool construction business owner; former private equity professional
Self-funded searcher; owner of a high-end pool company in Orlando
Episode: He Quit Private Equity to Buy a $5M Pool Business | Lazy Leverage #114
Anna Deshligana
Head of Customer Experience at Sagan Passport
Sagan Passport
Episode: The 3 Levels of Buying Back Your Time | Lazy Leverage #113
Zaki Mahomed
President of AI at Sagan
Sagan
Episode: We Stopped Building Software. We Build LEGO Bricks Now. | Lazy Leverage #111
Yossi Wachtel
Owner/operator of Monkey Wrench / founder involved in Nexstar and Sagan ventures
Monkey Wrench / Nexstar / Sagan
Episode: From One Truck to 100 Employees: The Hospitality Obsession Behind Monkey Wrench | Lazy Leverage #109
Christian Ruf
Founder of Uncommon Elite, former 160th SOAR leader
Uncommon Elite
Episode: Fire The Resume: Why 1 Out of 75 Senior Hires Has Industry Experience | Lazy Leverage #107
Claude Burns
From Office Libations, former Naval officer
Office Libations
Episode: Jon Matzner & Claude Burns talk military, business and global talent | Lazy Leverage #101
John Seiffer
Author of Output Thinking and advocate for labor specialization
Episode: The End of the Full-Stack Salesperson: How Specialization Multiplies Output | Lazy Leverage #93
Jacob Kline
Owner of Inkline Homes and Incline Homes, real estate entrepreneur
Inkline Homes / Incline Homes
Episode: Why Your Best People Are 8,000 Miles Away | Lazy Leverage #84
Anya Dashliegana
Senior leader, member of Sagan's team
Sagan
Episode: Building Internal Software That Actually Gets Used | Lazy Leverage #83

Hosts

Jon Matzner
Co-host and host; recurring leadership and growth discussions; often anchors strategy and operations topics.
Peter Lohman
Host and co-host; drives structure, frameworks, and discussion around leverage in business and life.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 22 ratings
  • One of my favorite podcasts

    I love learning from Jon - the way he thinks is ruthlessly efficient and pragmatic. The business he has built with Sagan in a short amount of time is impressive; I enjoy listening about the journey, applying what I can from it.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    misterlink
    United Statesa year ago

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Listeners appreciate the experimentation with AI and global talent as growth levers.
Insightful cross-industry perspectives (military to SMB) add credibility and variety.
Candid discussions about leadership and culture feel actionable for founders and operators.
Glowing host and guest synergy; tactical, no-fluff advice for scaling.
Strong emphasis on practical frameworks and real-world examples.

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He Quit Private Equity to Buy a $5M Pool Business | Lazy Leverage #114
Q: What do you think are the next chapters or growth levers for your business? Are you leaning more into organic growth or more acquisitions?
The overseas global talent is the foundation of growth. Open a second office, hire two people instead of four, and scale by integrating specialized talent offshore to support onshore operations. I plan to build an internal marketing engine, refine the sales process, and explore partnerships and AI-enabled workflows while continuing to acquire strategically when the right fit emerges. In short, build the growth engine internally and selectively pursue growth through targeted acquisitions when appropriate.
He Quit Private Equity to Buy a $5M Pool Business | Lazy Leverage #114
Q: You moved back in with your parents as like a grown-ass man to make your self-funded search work. Talk to me about what that search process was like and how you ended up landing on this one.
I started by targeting Florida to stay close to family and to be boots-on-the-ground, reached out directly to brokers and listings, and kept a relentless outreach cadence. After evaluating a handful of opportunities, I found a seller with a reputable track record and aligned incentives, then closed the deal with seller financing and an SBA loan. The decision-making was driven by a belief that I could bring a high level of operation and service to the pool space, and that the timing was right to invest in a higher-end, recurring-revenue model.
The StoryBrand Framework: Why Your Marketing Message Is Confusing Everyone | Lazy Leverage #67
Q: What is StoryBrand and why is it important?
StoryBrand provides a seven-part framework to clarify a brand's messaging by focusing on the customer as the hero, identifying their problems, positioning the brand as the empathetic guide, offering a clear plan, and prompting a simple, concrete action that leads to tangible outcomes.
Radical Candor Across Cultures: High Care, High Honesty | Lazy Leverage #81
Q: What is the core idea behind radical candor in your recruitment process?
Radical candor combines high honesty with high care, ensuring feedback is direct but supportive, and leaders model this behavior to encourage open discussion and faster improvement.
Jon Matzner & Eric Pacifici talk SMB, market trends, and the global talent edge | Lazy Leverage #99
Q: What is QSBS, and why do lawyers charge so much for a QSBS opinion letter?
QSBS is a favorable tax exclusion on capital gains, potentially up to $15 million; the guests discuss the risk and complexity of issuing such letters, warning that if the transaction doesn't qualify, the client could face malpractice exposure and the lawyer could face significant liability, so pricing reflects that risk.

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What is Lazy Leverage about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A business-focused show that digs into practical leverage—whether through AI, global talent, scalable processes, or disciplined leadership—to help service-based and knowledge-work companies grow without losing culture or clarity. Episodes center on turning small operations into scalable teams, applying theories like the Theory of Constraints, and exploring how technology, outsourcing, and structured decision-making can boost throughput, margins, and customer experience. Noteworthy angles include hospitality and service-first mindsets, accountability cultures modeled after elite organizations, and AI-enabled workflows that aim to raise efficiency while preserving human judgment.

Mixing war-room leadership talk with hands-on operations, the ... more

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