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A Couple of Multiples: The Reality of Living with Dissociative Identity Disorder

Drew & Garden System
Dissociative Identity Disorder
Mental Health
Trauma
Intimacy
Therapeutic Relationships
Childhood Trauma
EMDR
Trauma Therapy
EMDR Therapy
Shame
Relationships
Communication
Trauma-Informed Therapy
Internal Relationships
Attachment Styles
Somatic Therapy
Attachment Theory
Sexual Alters
Littles
Ritual Abuse

There’s never a dull moment for hosts, Drew and Garden System, who are a couple that have both been diagnosed with Dissociative Identity Disorder. While they are navigating their healing journey, they continue to manage full time careers, raise four teenagers and a house full of pets. Not only do they aim to speak to people who have lived experience with DID and their supporters, but also therapis... more

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Drew & Garden System discuss the healing journey from childhood abuse and dissociative identity disorder with Bonnie Armstrong, the author of An Apparently Normal Person. Bonnie's story is unique in that she worked in child welfare and advocacy witho... more

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Drew & Garden System have an in depth discussion about surviving and healing from cult torture and abuse with Cheryl Rainfield, a survivor living with poly-fragmented dissociative identities. who used creative writing as a tool for healing and to she... more

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Drew & Garden System share powerful healing stories from Jade Miller, a peer support specialist.  Jade Miller is a multiple, writer, and peer support worker who helps others living with dissociative experiences find community, language, and grounding... more

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Bonnie Armstrong
Author of An Apparently Normal Person; DID survivor and advocate
Be Truthful advocacy and speaking engagements
Episode: An Apparently Normal Person: An Interview with Bonnie Armstrong
Cheryl Rainfield
Cult torture survivor, polyfragmented DID advocate and author
Episode: Healing From Cult Torture: An Interview with Cheryl Rainfield
Jade Miller
A multiple writer and peer support worker who helps others living with dissociative experiences.
Peer Support for Multiples
Episode: You Can Heal: Jade Miller, Peer Support Specialist
Dr. Frank W. Putnam
Child psychiatrist and author specializing in the long-term effects of childhood maltreatment.
Episode: Old Before Their Time: An Interview with Dr, Frank W. Putnam
Dr. Jamie Marich
EMDR therapy trainer and author focused on trauma and addiction recovery
Institute for Creative Mindfulness
Episode: Understanding Recovery & 12 Steps for Dissociative Identities: An Interview with Dr. Jamie+ Marich
Rev. Karla Fleshman
A clinical social worker, advocate for justice in the LGBTQIA+ community, and EMDR certified therapist.
Transitions Delaware
Episode: Queering EMDR Therapy & Understanding Dissociation in the LGBTQIA+ Community: An Interview with Rev. Karla Fleshman LCSW, MDiv
Dr. Mike Lloyd
A consultant clinical psychologist specializing in complex trauma and dissociative disorders.
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Episode: Differential Diagnosis: Dissociative Identity Disorder: An Interview with Dr. Mike Lloyd
Alix Amar
Licensed Clinical Social Worker specializing in trauma and dissociation, with over 30 years in private practice.
Episode: Exploring Expressive Arts for Dissociative Disorders: An Interview with Alix Amar, LCSW
Monika Ostroff
Executive Director of the Multi-Service Eating Disorders Association, co-author of 'Anorexia Nervosa, A Guide to Recovery'
Multi-Service Eating Disorders Association (META)
Episode: Recovering From Eating Disorders When You Have DID: An Interview with Monika Ostroff LICSW, CEDS-S

Hosts

Drew
Co-host of the podcast, provides personal insights into living with Dissociative Identity Disorder.
Garden System
Co-host of the podcast, shares personal experiences with Dissociative Identity Disorder and advocates for education around the condition.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 90 ratings
  • Questionable at Best

    If you are seeking a thoughtful, ethical, and clinically grounded podcast on living with dissociative identity disorder, this is one you should avoid.

    Drew and the “Garden System” present their podcast under the banner of lived experience, yet repeatedly drift into offering unsubstantiated and unqualified therapeutic guidance. While personal narratives can be powerful, the stories shared here are frequently framed in ways that risk misleading an already highly vulnerable audience. In my view, n... more

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    Truth Seeker34
    United States2 months ago
  • Incredibly relatable and validating

    This is my favorite podcast on DID because I relate so much to what the hosts share. Sometimes I feel my system is just to fantastical. I must be delusional —- even though I know dissociative identities are an incredibly CREATIVE coping mechanism used by young children.

    Drew and Garden System are candid and mirror to me the validity of these experiences I am having. I especially love their episodes on internal communication, denial, acceptance and authenticity.

    They are the definition of aut... more

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    5
    Sarah Courage
    United Statesa year ago
  • Great show on a professional and personal level

    This podcast has helped me as I am newly diagnosed with DID. The hosts of the podcasts both have helped me navigate on a personal level and has made me feel so validated. There is so much good info on here professionally and on a personal journey from their prospectives with their experiences living with DID. Highly recommend. And thank you for giving us your time to help me and mine understand the ins and outs of DID. We appreciate you.

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    5
    Anonymous_kat
    United States2 years ago
  • We love this show!

    Thank you so much for this honest and non-pathologized podcast! We love hearing a neurodiversity-affirming approach to plurality. It’s such a gift to have all of us feel seen and validated by your shares.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    kelsey630
    United States2 years ago
  • Recently diagnosed

    I was and currently am struggling to face this new way of understanding myself. Even though I “know” it’s true, it’s a painful process to “refile” my perceptions and bring parts of me to the surface.

    I am so appreciative of this podcast and the two of you. It’s normalizing my experience and helping me reframe my experiences on what I am coming to understand as “parts”.

    Thank you for being vulnerable and sharing your parts with mine 🥰 It is healing and helpful.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    LettieDawson
    United States2 years ago

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Key themes from listener reviews, highlighting what works and what could be improved about the show.

The blend of personal stories and professional knowledge has made the podcast a valuable resource for both individuals with DID and mental health practitioners.
Some criticisms exist regarding the execution of certain episodes, suggesting a desire for improvement in presentation and format.
Hosts provide an authentic and relatable perspective on living with Dissociative Identity Disorder, often resonating deeply with listeners.
Content is seen as both educational and validating, offering insights into complex mental health topics.

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Healing From Cult Torture: An Interview with Cheryl Rainfield
Q: What hopeful message would you offer to listeners who are survivors or supporting someone with DID?
You can find safety and chosen family; healing is possible even after extreme abuse, and persistence in finding caring, belief-affirming professionals is crucial; the world is waking up to these issues and survivors are not alone.
Healing From Cult Torture: An Interview with Cheryl Rainfield
Q: What adaptations in EMDR or therapy have you found most helpful for DID systems with cult involvement?
Avoid forcing the body into traditional EMDR; allow dissociation as a protective mechanism, use alternative methods for bilateral stimulation (drawing, sand tray, tapping), and let the patient guide the pace and modality while ensuring therapists stay present and compassionate.
Healing From Cult Torture: An Interview with Cheryl Rainfield
Q: What information should mental health professionals understand about mind control, ritual abuse, and polyfragmented systems?
Believe survivors; be open to modifying therapies (e.g., EMDR) to avoid triggering or re-traumatizing, check in with the survivor about cues and body language, and work with insiders to map programming and create safe ways to communicate and heal.
Healing From Cult Torture: An Interview with Cheryl Rainfield
Q: Could you please explain what a polyfragmented system is and how it differs from other DID presentations?
A polyfragmented system has thousands of fragments that form many groups, with a major hub and multiple splits; some parts are cult-created, some self-created, and the system often frontes with different insiders. Mapping helps break the complexity into manageable subgroups and reveals hidden parts.
You Can Heal: Jade Miller, Peer Support Specialist
Q: What are some common struggles you have seen people living with DID face?
Internal conflicts and communication issues within the system are the most common struggles.

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The content focuses on the experiences of individuals living with Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), offering a candid and relatable perspective. The hosts, a couple diagnosed with DID, share their journeys of managing personal healing while navigating daily life, parenting, and work. The podcast seeks to educate listeners—both the general public and mental health professionals—by dispelling myths about DID, which has often been sensationalized in media. With an approachable style, it emphasizes the reality of living with this misunderstood condition, aiming to provide validation and support for others who share similar experiences and to foster understanding among their supporters and therapists.

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1. Bonnie Armstrong
2. Cheryl Rainfield
3. Jade Miller
4. Dr. Frank W. Putnam
5. Dr. Jamie Marich
6. Rev. Karla Fleshman
7. Dr. Mike Lloyd
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