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Assess THAT with Tom & Nat! (Assessment, Feedback, Grading, and Learning)

Tom Schimmer
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Assess THAT with Tom & Nat is a bi-weekly podcast where co-hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso unpack what it really means to deepen assessment literacy in schools. Known for their dynamic, insightful, and sometimes provocative conversations, Tom and Nat create a space where educators can rethink grading, feedback, and accountability in ways that put student learning first. Each episode blen... more

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Exams have long been a fixture in schools, but too often they end up measuring memory and endurance more than deep learning. In this episode, we challenge the tradition of final exams and explore how schools can reimagine them into experiences that a... more

Creativity isn’t a bonus skill for a lucky few — it’s a core competency every student needs to thrive in an unpredictable future. In this episode, Tom and Nat break down why creativity deserves a place in your assessment plan and, more importantly, e... more

In this bonus episode of Assess THAT with Tom & Nat, we’re excited to introduce the Canadian Assessment Centre (CAC) — a new national hub dedicated to helping schools modernize their assessment and grading practices with clarity, credibility, and car... more

As a new school year begins, it’s the perfect time to revisit the grading habits we’ve carried forward, sometimes without question. In this episode, Tom and Nat unpack five common grading “rules” that may be doing more harm than good. With a mix of m... more

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Gholdy Muhammad
Associate professor of literacy, language, and culture at the University of Illinois at Chicago, author of Cultivating Genius, An Equity Model for Culturally and Historically Responsive Literacy.
University of Illinois at Chicago
Episode: BONUS [TSP Classic] - Gholdy Muhammad (July 2022)
John Hattie
Emeritus Laureate Professor at the Melbourne Graduate School of Education
University of Melbourne
Episode: [TSP Classic] John Hattie (October 2022)
Dr. Yvette Jackson
Adjunct professor at Teachers College, Columbia University; author of The Pedagogy of Confidence
National Urban Alliance for Effective Education
Episode: [TSP Classic] Yvette Jackson (May 2021)
Zaretta Hammond
National consultant and author of 'Culturally Responsive Teaching and the Brain', promoting effective engagement in diverse classrooms.
Episode: [TSP Classic] Zaretta Hammond (June 2022)
Paula Maeker
Author, educator, and advocate for learning-centered education
Solution Tree
Episode: I'm Back | Paula Maeker | UYES!
Ashley Aoki
Educator passionate about equity and quality in education.
School District 67
Episode: Elevate Your Moments | Ashley Aoki | Assessment Pressure

Hosts

Tom Schimmer
Co-host known for his expertise in assessment practices and authoring best-selling education books, he focuses on translating research into practical tools for educators.
Natalie Vardabasso
Co-host recognized for her innovative approaches to assessment and equity, she supports educators in creating accurate and humanizing assessment systems.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 94 ratings
  • 🔥 This podcast

    Love this podcast and what both Tom and Nat stand for. Equity for students through assessment, feedback, grading , and learning.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    FutureReadyTeaching
    United Statesa year ago
  • One of my favourite education podcasts

    Tom Schimmer Podcast is one of my favourites to listen to because I learn so much that challenges my thinking, gives me different perspectives & insights, and makes me a better person & educator. I love how the guest is sandwiched between two sections where Tom openly shares his views on various topics. Highly recommend!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    @LiviaChanL
    Canada2 years ago
  • Reporting Order June 7

    Thank you for the bonus episode on the new reporting order. I’ve shared with everyone I could think of including senior staff at the district, other principals, teachers, support staff, and parents. Fantastic and absolutely nailed it yet again.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    greengirlyyc
    Canada2 years ago
  • Love Assessment Corner

    This podcast teaches me something every time I listen. Love the personal stories from an experienced educator, the amazing and noteworthy guests, and of course assessment corner each week, which always feels eerily relevant to my situation or problem. How do you know, Tom?

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    hiedibodnarchuk
    Canada4 years ago
  • Angora Amparo

    Out of all of the educational podcast out there Tom’s is the one that’s I have to listen to! His don’t @, then interview with guests and assessment corner are the perfect blend of thought provoking and enlightening information. He is as well an amazing interviewer and seems like he literally has been a radio/television in the way that he helps guest feel extremely comfortable.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    It's a process
    United States4 years ago

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Listeners appreciate the engaging insights shared by Tom and Nat, and many remark on the practical strategies they provide that challenge traditional educational practices.
Many audience members find the content both thought-provoking and actionable, making it a valuable resource for ongoing professional development.
Reviewers often highlight the dynamic discussions that encourage reflection on current grading and assessment approaches, empowering educators with new perspectives.

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BONUS [TSP Classic] - Gholdy Muhammad (July 2022)
Q: When you talk about packing a nation's worth of history into your curriculum, what does that mean in practical terms?
We have to recognize the significance of identity and culture in education while ensuring it is represented authentically in literature and curriculum practices.
BONUS [TSP Classic] - Gholdy Muhammad (July 2022)
Q: What do you mean by historically responsive literacy?
Historically responsive pedagogy integrates the legacy of past educational practices with modern curriculum, aiming to improve identity and critical awareness in students.
BONUS [TSP Classic] - Gholdy Muhammad (July 2022)
Q: Gholdy, referring to the context, I love it when people do that, right?
Gholdy discusses how literacy in the 1800s was used by black people as instruments to define their lives and advocate for their rights, highlighting its transformative power.
Elevate Your Moments | Ashley Aoki | Assessment Pressure
Q: What aspect did you find less challenging than you anticipated?
Receiving qualitative data from students turned out to be less daunting than expected, revealing areas for improvement and reinforcing what was working well.
Elevate Your Moments | Ashley Aoki | Assessment Pressure
Q: What aspect of inquiry-based learning did you find more challenging than you anticipated?
The challenge was to release expectations that learning had to look a particular way, transitioning from a traditional teaching approach to a more open inquiry-focused one.

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Focused on enhancing assessment literacy within educational contexts, this bi-weekly show features dynamic discussions led by experienced educators, Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso. The core of the content emphasizes rethinking traditional approaches to grading, feedback, and accountability to prioritize student learning. Each episode mixes practical strategies with overarching principles, aiming to transform assessment into a catalyst for growth rather than merely a method of measurement. Notable subjects include creativity in assessment, equity in education, and the role of assessment in learning models like Universal Design for Learning. With a commitment to providing listeners with actionable insights, the show is especially tailore... more

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