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Second City Works presents "Getting to Yes, And"

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Second City Works presents "Getting to Yes, And" on WGN Plus from WGN Radio in Chicago.

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Recent Guests

Daryl Davis
Musician and race-relations advocate, author of The Klan Whisperer
Independent/Author
Episode: Getting to Yes, And… | Daryl Davis – ‘The Klan Whisperer’
Marcus Buckingham
World-renowned researcher on strengths, engagement, and human performance
Strengths Research, Gallup (co-creator of StrengthsFinder)
Episode: Getting to Yes, And… | Marcus Buckingham – ‘Why Love is the Most Important Word in Business’
Stephanie Weaver
Writer, speaker coach, wellness advocate, and author of Bitter, Sweet
Author; San Diego, California
Episode: Getting to Yes, And… | Stephanie Weaver – ‘Storytelling and Family Estrangement’
Daisy Christodoulou
Director of Education at No More Marking
No More Marking
Episode: Getting to Yes, And… | Daisy Christodoulou – ‘Seven Myths About Education’
Benoit Denizet-Lewis
Author and journalist
New York Times Magazine, author of You've Changed, The Promise and Price of Self-Transformation
Episode: Getting to Yes, And… | Benoit Denizet-Lewis – ‘The Promise and Price of Self-Transformation’
Leidy Klotz
Author and design/problem solving researcher
University of Utah / author of Subtract and In a Good Place
Episode: Getting to Yes, And… | Leidy Klotz – ‘The Power of Places’
Erik LeDrew
Filmmaker, co-director of Man in the Arena, lead on Alex vs. Arod
Religion of Sports
Episode: Getting to Yes, And… | Erik LeDrew – ‘From the Battlefield to the Big Screen’
Jake Braun
Former DHS advisor and author of Democracy in Danger and Fentanyl, Fighting the Mass Poisoning of America and the Cartel Behind It
Policy and national security expert
Episode: Getting to Yes, And… | Jake Braun
Khameer Kidia
Writer, physician, anthropologist at Harvard Medical School and University of Zimbabwe
Harvard Medical School; University of Zimbabwe
Episode: Getting to Yes, And… | Dr. Khameer Kidia – ‘Empire of Madness’

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Kelly Leonard
Host of the program and interviewer with deep involvement in design, strategy, and improvisation.

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4.8 out of 5 stars from 77 ratings
  • Whoa, he’s a pro!

    The host, Kelly Leonard, isn’t just the Mac Daddy Godfather of Second City, he’s actually a behavioral scientist. Doing research with some of the top academics in their fields. He knows everything and everyone! Oh and his own book, YES, AND, is the bomb!!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ratsofNIMH
    United States4 years ago
  • Thought-provoking and sticks with you

    I love this show! It’s both thought-provoking and often unexpectedly funny. Always informative, interesting and great topics covered. Really enjoy every episode.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    savvy_entrepreneur
    United States5 years ago
  • Fantastic

    Kelly is a wonderful interviewer, intimately familiar with the work of the guest and able to draw parallels to improv that will resonate with your life if you are a learner, open to growing and experimenting.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Slickslider71
    Canada6 years ago
  • Love this podcast!

    Kelly brings it every episode along with great guests. He keeps the discussions on the theme of the benefits of improv training at work as well as everyday life, with lots of great stories along the way. Bravo!!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Tebley
    Canada6 years ago
  • Favorite podcast, period.

    As the co-founder of a three-decades old media production company, an ensemble member in a Tony winning theater company and an active arts advocate, GETTING TO YES AND informs every aspect of my life and is at the top of my "must-listen" list. The show, the guests and host Kelly Leonard are steeped in humility, intelligence, vulnerability, wit and genuine collaborative spirit. Every week, GETTING TO YES AND changes the course of my life a little bit, offering me new ways to think, inviting me to... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    HMSScott
    United States7 years ago

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Getting to Yes, And… | Daryl Davis – ‘The Klan Whisperer’
Q: Tell us a little bit about the work you've done and the reaction to it.
Daryl Davis explains that reactions have ranged from admiration to hostility, but his approach is to stay curious, listen, and use his experiences to demonstrate common human values; over time, his conversations have led some people to rethink their beliefs.
Getting to Yes, And… | Stephanie Weaver – ‘Storytelling and Family Estrangement’
Q: And your new book is not easy material from your life. Prior to the writing, had you verbally, like, how were you telling that story, if you were telling that story, to both yourself, to anyone else?
Stephanie explains that she used therapy and journaling to process trauma, and the storytelling process evolved as she discovered themes like estrangement, forgiveness, and generosity, shaping the memoir's arc.
Getting to Yes, And… | Daisy Christodoulou – ‘Seven Myths About Education’
Q: You talk a lot about memory and the cognitive architecture. How do you see technology like AI fitting into the classroom without eroding core knowledge?
AI should augment rather than replace teacher judgment, by handling supportive tasks like drafting feedback or clarifying concepts, while teachers maintain the role of guiding interpretation, shaping learning goals, and ensuring students build a durable knowledge base.
Getting to Yes, And… | Erik LeDrew – ‘From the Battlefield to the Big Screen’
Q: How did you enter the Alex vs. Arod project and secure the opportunity to tell this story?
The project began when the owner of Religion of Sports flagged Alex Rodriguez as a compelling subject; after initial consideration and development, the team pursued an honest, collaborative approach with ongoing development and alignment.
Getting to Yes, And… | Dr. Khameer Kidia – ‘Empire of Madness’
Q: How does your concept of Yes And apply to patient encounters?
Yes And reframes patient interactions to be collaborative and non-hierarchical, allowing clinicians to sit with patients, validate their experiences, and co-create care plans that address social and emotional needs beyond medications.

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