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It Turns Out

Kara Miller
Higher Education
Artificial Intelligence
Enrollment Crisis
Teaching Methodologies
Resistance To Change
Government Regulation
Demographic Shifts
Faculty Structures
Economy
Marriage
Political Influence
Healthcare
Openai
Traffic Congestion
Housing Market
Miami
Academic Freedom
Sam Altman
Congestion Pricing
Salary Income

"It Turns Out" reveals the hidden realities reshaping our world—from how marriage impacts inequality to the way that the tax code has transformed wealth. Through conversations with experts who challenge conventional wisdom, award-winning journalist Kara Miller focuses each episode on groundbreaking research, changing how listeners see society, economics, technology, and human behavior. “It Turns O... more

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Are the ultra-wealthy playing a high-stakes game of dodgeball with American cities? As states float the idea of heavy wealth taxes, billionaires are increasingly moving their addresses—and their yachts—to tax havens like Miami. But does this wealth m... more

Since 2020, more than a million kids have left American public schools. Meanwhile, enrollment in private schools and homeschooling has risen. What's going on? Have parents lost faith in public schools? And which sorts of kids are most likely to leave... more

For two decades, the global phenomenon of "Blue Zones" has shaped how we eat, live, and invest in our health. But what if the data behind these longevity hotspots doesn't quite stack up?

In this episode of It Turns Out, Kara Miller sits down with Dr... more

What if being more social could change your life?

University of Chicago behavioral scientist Nicholas Epley talks with Kara about the surprising bump in happiness we get from being a little more social.

Being less lonely also has huge health benefi... more

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Recent Guests

Zohran Mamdani
Mayor of New York City (mentioned as guest on the show)
New York City government
Episode: Miami, Mamdani, and the War over Wealth
Joshua Goodman
Author and researcher cited in Massachusetts data clip
Boston University
Episode: Why have kids left public school?
Saul Justin Newman
Author of Morbid, Senior Research Fellow at UCL and the Oxford Institute of Population Aging
MIT Press / University College London / Oxford Institute of Population Aging
Episode: Longevity: What we get wrong
Nicholas Epley
Professor of Behavioral Science at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, author of A Little More Social
University of Chicago Booth School of Business
Episode: Being social scares us. It also makes us happier.
Jack Mountjoy
Associate Professor of Economics, University of Chicago Booth School of Business
University of Chicago Booth School of Business
Episode: Is College Worth It? (Plus, waitlists and marriage markets)
Kevin Hall
Nutrition and metabolism researcher; co-author of Food Intelligence
NIH; author of Food Intelligence
Episode: What we get wrong about weight and nutrition
Kasey Buckles
Professor of economics at the University of Notre Dame
University of Notre Dame
Episode: Should Americans have more kids?
David Autor
Professor of economics at MIT; co-author of The Work of the Future
MIT
Episode: Why white collar jobs are heading to China
Kevin Hassett
National Economic Council Director (former)
White House/National Economic Council
Episode: Why white collar jobs are heading to China

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Kara Miller
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Reviews

4.4 out of 5 stars from 207 ratings
  • Great, except

    Great podcast, except for Longevity episode. So out of character with the series.

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    indy jones 11
    United Statesa month ago
  • Great Guests, Great Questions, Great Show!

    Kara's guests are always top-notch experts in their field, and she seems to always come up with questions that get them sharing their expertise, then she lets them talk. This is an excellent format, and has brought me more interesting information than any other podcast I can remember.

    Highly recommended!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Blahgonator
    United States2 months ago
  • Balanced logical pod cast. Refreshing

    Finally a pod cast about the world we live in without extremism being the “hook.” Good work!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Docneoapis
    United States3 months ago
  • This show is special!

    I love this show and I hope she continues to put out episodes regularly. It's a special place in the podcast world. Interesting topics that aren't brain rot and she asks very good intellectual questions. In a world full of hot takes this show prioritizes context and intellect. 5/5

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ghostlevel83
    United States3 months ago
  • Excellent Show

    I wish there were 100 episodes, great way to elevate research in public discourse. I’d love for Kara to ask each guest what they don’t know yet at the end of every episode to highlight guest humility and future research needs.

    Update: This billionaire episode had no research. It was just two people guessing at what billionaires think about. Very disappointing. I can get that episode anywhere. This show should have more rigor.

    Apple Podcasts
    4
    AnclialTS
    United States4 months ago

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Listeners praise rigorous, well-researched discussions and clear pacing
Content balances depth with accessibility and avoids extremism
Occasional critique when episodes stray from research or lack rigorous evidence
Show is considered thoughtful and intellectually challenging, with a focus on real-world relevance
Guests are top-notch experts and questions elicit deep sharing of expertise

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Why have kids left public school?
Q: What is the potential impact of school choice on public schools according to the episode?
Choice programs can improve public school performance through competition, but risks include mismanagement of funds and regressive effects where subsidies mainly benefit families already able to pay for private options; careful design and oversight are needed.
Why have kids left public school?
Q: What policies could help public schools regain trust and improve outcomes without dismantling the system?
Focus on core goals like providing rich academic content, expanding access to advanced coursework (e.g., AP CS Principles), and implementing scalable reforms like automatic enrollment to place capable students in higher-level content, along with improved teacher quality and accountability paired with meaningful pay incentives.
Longevity: What we get wrong
Q: What happened with resveratrol and why is it a cautionary tale for longevity hype?
Resveratrol was marketed aggressively, but despite widespread promotion and major investments, it showed no meaningful clinical benefits beyond causing diarrhea, illustrating how marketing can outpace science.
Longevity: What we get wrong
Q: What is the state of longevity research and how has the field evolved beyond traditional medicine?
Newman argues that many longevity claims arise from relabeling existing medical work as a new field, which lets sponsors bypass rigorous clinical trials and speed products to market.
Is College Worth It? (Plus, waitlists and marriage markets)
Q: How would you think about those two things as a parent if a 17-year-old questioned going to college?
Encourage broad exposure to majors and experiences, assess both signaling and human capital benefits, and emphasize that college can be a long-run investment with diverse pathways to success.

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A research-forward podcast that translates academic work and data into accessible conversations about everyday life, from how social connections shape happiness to the economics of education, housing, and technology. Episodes feature university researchers, policy experts, and industry thinkers who dissect complex topics with rigorous analysis, often highlighting policy implications, data limitations, and real-world outcomes. A notable strength is its ability to connect abstract research to practical decisions—whether you're a policymaker, business leader, or curious consumer—without slipping into buzzworthy hype. The show often centers on economics, public policy, urban planning, health, and technology, with a consistent emphasis on eviden... more

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4. Nicholas Epley
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7. Kasey Buckles
8. David Autor

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