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We Dissent

Rebecca Markert
Christian Nationalism
Abortion Rights
Project 2025
Separation Of Church and State
LGBTQ Rights
Crisis Pregnancy Centers
Mifepristone
Abortion
Anti-Abortion Movement
Reproductive Rights
Supreme Court
Public Funding
Disinformation
Gender-Affirming Care
Title IX
Reproductive Health
Healthcare Access
Federal Funding
Legal Challenges
Religious Liberty

We Dissent is a monthly law podcast hosted by two secular women, who are also attorneys at the Freedom From Religion Foundation and Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Join us as we discuss developments affecting the separation of church and state in the US Supreme Court and lower federal courts. We'll also explore other advocacy work we do to help atheists and other nonreligious ... more

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Alison, Liz, and Rebecca welcome Maya Henson, Senior Research Analyst with the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project, for a deep dive into the impact of Christian supremacy and anti-student inclusion movements on public education. They d... more

Alison, Liz, and Rebecca recap the recent Supreme Court term and its implications for religious liberty. They break down the Court's rulings on conversion therapy bans, religious rights for prisoners, and transgender sports bans in public schools. Th... more

America turns 250 and the Trump Administration is celebrating by rewriting the past and the present. Alison, Liz, and Rebecca discuss how the administration hijacked the nation's planned bipartisan 250th anniversary celebration and turned it into a t... more

We Dissent co-host Rebecca Markert was recently featured on "In Progress," a part of the Progress Texas podcast network. Please enjoy this episode of In Progress while you wait for our next episode!

From Dan Patrick's declaration that the separati... more

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Recent Guests

Maya Henson
Senior research analyst at SPLC Intelligence Project
Southern Poverty Law Center
Episode: Christian Nationalism in Education with Maya Henson
Rebecca Markert
Vice President and Legal Director, Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Episode: Bonus! From Progress Texas: Resisting Christian Nationalism with Rebecca Markert of Americans United
Rachel Levinson-Waldman
Director of the Liberty and National Security Program at Brennan Center for Justice
Brennan Center for Justice
Episode: The War on Nonprofits
Rachael Stryer
Public Policy Council at Americans United
Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Episode: State Legislative Roundup with Rachael Stryer
Emily Martin
Chief Program Officer at National Women's Law Center
National Women's Law Center
Episode: Pronatalism with Emily Martin
Shiwali Patel
Senior Director of Education Justice at the National Women's Law Center
National Women's Law Center
Episode: The Supreme Court Tackles Trans Sports Bans with Shiwali Patel
Alison Gill
Attorney, previously with American Atheists, now at National Women's Law Center
National Women's Law Center
Episode: Message to Listeners
Sarah Levin
Founder and principal of Secular Strategies; co-chair of the DNC Interfaith Council
Secular Strategies
Episode: Hoodwinked: Health Care Sharing Ministries with Sarah Levin
Dena Sher
Associate Vice President for Public Policy at Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Episode: Breaking Down Trump's Executive Orders with Dena Sher

Hosts

Rebecca Markert
Host of We Dissent (attorney, Americans United for Separation of Church and State)
Liz Cavell
Host of We Dissent (attorney, Freedom From Religion Foundation)
Alison Gill
Attorney; Host of We Dissent, now with National Women's Law Center

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 147 ratings
  • Informational & Entertaining

    Love the explanations and the discussions. Great add to my legal pod roundup. Thank you.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Skleban
    United States10 months ago
  • Great podcast about the Supreme Court and it's cases. Gives a good overview of what's going on with the Supreme Court.

    Podcast Addict
    5
    Midwest Mom
    10 months ago
  • Both Legal and Approachble

    They explain what they’re doing. It’s wonderful. The legal stuff is all there but they don’t turn it into gibberish that only they understand. On top of that, they strongly support the separation of church and state, a founding principle of the writers of the US Constitution.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    3gaw
    United States2 years ago
  • Not too nerdy

    3 women lawyers bring the secular look at the law that the constitution demands without drowning the audience in case law trivia. Worth the time!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MrsMarci
    United States3 years ago
  • These well-informed lawyers break down the bad and the ugly from our dysfunctional Supreme Court. A+ for educational and fun banter

    Podcast Addict
    5
    SamGrover
    3 years ago

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Praises timely analysis and principled stance on civil liberties, with a strong emphasis on advocacy and education.
Clear, accessible explanations of legal issues for a lay audience.
Hosts are knowledgeable, credible, and articulate voices on church-state separation.

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Pronatalism with Emily Martin
Q: What alternatives do you propose to address low birth rates without restricting rights or widening inequality?
A comprehensive pro-family policy platform: affordable childcare, universal healthcare including reproductive care, paid leave, stable work schedules, and protections against discrimination for pregnant people, coupled with immigration and labor policies that support a thriving, diverse workforce.
The War on Nonprofits
Q: What specific impacts do NSPM 7 and related orders have on nonprofits and civil society?
NSPM 7 enables prioritization of investigations, creates lists of Antifa-aligned entities, and opens pathways to enhanced surveillance and increased penalties, which together can deter, delay, or deny funding and advocacy work for nonprofits.
The War on Nonprofits
Q: Can you give us an overview of what's been happening with national security tools aimed at nonprofits?
The administration has rolled out broad executive orders and memos designating groups and ideologies as domestic terrorism concerns, creating a framework where law enforcement could target donors, funders, and civil society organizations, often leveraging tax and surveillance tools. There is a chilling effect even if formal charges aren't always pursued.
The Supreme Court Tackles Trans Sports Bans with Shiwali Patel
Q: How might the Court frame Title IX and Bostock in its decision, and what are the possible implications for federal policy?
The Court could frame the issue narrowly around sports without ruling on broader discrimination, or potentially apply Bostock-like sex-discrimination reasoning to include gender identity; the decision could affect federal funding rules and state policies going forward.
The Supreme Court Tackles Trans Sports Bans with Shiwali Patel
Q: What were the core legal arguments in the Supreme Court cases, and how did the lower courts rule?
Both cases challenge bans on trans women and girls in sports; BPJ also raises a Title IX claim. The Ninth Circuit focused on Title IX and injunctions, while the Fourth Circuit remanded on equal protection; the Court's task is to decide whether Title IX or equal protection requires or permits these bans and whether a uniform national rule is needed.

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A monthly law-focused program where two secular women attorneys dissect the intersection of religion and government in U.S. law. Episodes typically analyze Supreme Court and federal court decisions, explain First Amendment implications, and scrutinize how policy debates around church-state separation unfold in courts, legislatures, and public discourse. Noteworthy traits include accessible legal clarifications delivered by experienced advocates, a strong emphasis on civil liberties and nonprofit rights, and a willingness to critique government funding and policy actions framed as protecting religious liberty. The show tends to feature guest experts from major civil rights and legal organizations and maintains a clear advocacy stance toward ... more

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