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This Legal Life: Lessons Learned from a Life in Legal

Nexl
Business Development
Legal Marketing
Legal Tech
Artificial Intelligence
Law Firms
Mental Health
Legal Profession
Client Relationships
Covid-19
Entrepreneurship
Social Fitness
Generative AI
Legal Industry
Mentorship
Collaboration
Networking
Social Media
Value-Based Pricing
Legal Innovation
Stress Management

Join host Ben Chiriboga, Chief Growth Officer at Nexl as he interviews guests to get their lessons learned from a life in legal. From overcoming practice silos to fostering collaboration and battling toxic work environments while building strong client relationships -- This Legal Life leaves no stone unturned.

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Legal business development often stays stuck in planning mode—but Robin van Keken took a different approach: just start. In this episode, he shares how a “try it and see” mentality helped him carve out a new kind of role at BUREN, one focused on conn... more

In this deeply reflective episode of This Legal Life, Ben Chiriboga speaks with Elena Deutsch, founder of WILL (Women Interested in Leaving Law), about what it really feels like when your career no longer fits. Drawing from her own journey and years ... more

In this episode of This Legal Life, Ben Chiriboga sits down with Ceschino Brooks, founder of The Legal Tech Guide and host of Future of Law Today, to unpack one of the biggest challenges in the industry: why legal tech still struggles to connect with... more

In this episode of This Legal Life, Ben Chiriboga sits down with Jenn McCarron, founder of Contracts.ai, to explore a career path that defies convention.

From touring musician to legal ops leader at Cisco, Spotify, and Netflix, Jenn shares how blen... more

In this episode of This Legal Life, Kaj Rozga shares his journey from Big Law litigator to in-house counsel navigating the fast-evolving world of legal technology. Sparked by the rise of generative AI, Kaj began exploring how lawyers can move beyond ... more

In this episode of This Legal Life, Ben sits down with legal futurist Anastasia Boyko for a conversation that goes far beyond career pivots.

From emigrating to the States from Soviet Ukraine to navigating Big Law layoffs and personal upheaval, Anast... more

In this episode of This Legal Life, Jonathan Petts, CEO of Upsolve, shares his unconventional journey from being fired by two Wall Street law firms to building a nonprofit that has helped erase over $1 billion in debt for low-income Americans. Throug... more

In this episode of This Legal Life, Ben Chiriboga speaks with employment lawyer Zack Anstett about how a life-altering medical diagnosis reshaped his perspective on success, ambition, and balance in private practice. Zack shares what it’s like to con... more

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Robin van Keken
Business development manager at Buren
Buren
Episode: “Just Go for It”: The Mindset Behind Modern Legal Business Development with Robin van Keeken
Elena Deutsch
Coach, consultant, founder of WILL (Women Interested in Leaving Law)
WILL, Wildfire Strategy (coaching partnership)
Episode: When the Ground Shifts: Helping Lawyers Trust Themselves Again
Ceschino Brooks
Founder of the Legal Tech Guide and host of the Future of Law Today podcast
Legal Tech Guide
Episode: Bridging the Gap: Why Legal Tech Still Isn’t Reaching Lawyers (and How to Fix It)
Jenn McCarron
Founder of Contracts AI; former Cisco/CAPL leader in legal ops and product
Contracts AI
Episode: From Bass Lines to Bottom Lines: Jenn McCarron on Reinventing Legal Through Data and Creativity
Kaj Rozga
Antitrust lawyer and podcast host
Independent / Legal tech practitioner
Episode: From Autopilot to Agency: Rethinking a Legal Career in the Age of AI with Kaj Rozga
Anastasia Boyko
Legal futurist, lawyer Sherpa, and leader in legal education and innovation
Episode: Rethinking the Legal Career Path: Anastasia Boyko on Leadership, Law School, and Reinvention in an AI Era
Jonathan Petts
CEO of Upsolve
Upsolve
Episode: From Wall Street Failure to $1B in Debt Relief: Jonathan Petts on Redefining Legal Impact
Zack Anstett
Employment lawyer in Raleigh, North Carolina; private practice associate
Private practice law firm (employment law)
Episode: The Human Side of Law: How Zack Anstett Reconsidered Success in Private Practice
Brian Scherer
Founder of Hey Counsel
Hey Counsel
Episode: A Law Firm Without the Firm: Brian Scherer on Building Leverage, Community, and a New Legal Path

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Ben Chiriboga
Chief Growth Officer at Nexl; host who guides conversations with lawyers and legal innovators

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“Just Go for It”: The Mindset Behind Modern Legal Business Development with Robin van Keeken
Q: What advice would you give someone aiming to do legal BD?
Identify a single topic you're passionate about, build a business case, secure the freedom to pursue it, and do it authentically to ensure sustainability and impact in the long term.
“Just Go for It”: The Mindset Behind Modern Legal Business Development with Robin van Keeken
Q: What was the biggest transformation in your career as a BD professional?
Robin states the key transformation was proving to the firm that he could bring in clients, which enabled a broader adoption of outbound strategies and the building of scalable processes and communities.
“Just Go for It”: The Mindset Behind Modern Legal Business Development with Robin van Keeken
Q: When did you start to realize client-facing, relationship-driven BD was essential?
The shift happened when Robin saw that outbound efforts and direct conversations with clients could yield tangible outcomes, leading to the idea of structured client-facing activity and the need for a dedicated BD role within law firms.
“Just Go for It”: The Mindset Behind Modern Legal Business Development with Robin van Keeken
Q: How did you get into legal, and what shaped your early path into BD?
Robin describes a winding path—from university and rowing through sales roles to exposure in legal education publishing—realizing early on that traditional BD tasks weren't enough and that building relationships and opening doors was the real driver of business development in law firms.
From Wall Street Failure to $1B in Debt Relief: Jonathan Petts on Redefining Legal Impact
Q: What is the core mission and long-term vision for Upsolve beyond debt relief?
To move people from poverty to the middle class by automating financial mobility tools, including credit building, benefits access, and job training, wrapping support around fresh starts.

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Episodes feature conversations with lawyers, coaches, and legal innovators who share practical lessons from their careers in law. Core themes include wellness and burnout prevention for legal professionals, building inclusive communities for women in law, entrepreneurship and leadership in legal tech, client experience and value-based pricing, and navigating modern law firm dynamics. Guests bring personal journeys—from transitioning out of traditional practice to founding platforms, coaching practices, and IP-focused firms—offering actionable takeaways on collaboration, authenticity, and modernization of legal services. The format often centers on transforming frustration into constructive change, with emphasis on real-world strategies you ... more

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