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I hear it all the time from the law firm owners I coach... "They didn't teach us this in law school!" With this show, I am set on bringing outside business ideas and advice into the world of entrepreneurial law firm owners... so join as we investigate new stories and strategies each week in They Don't Teach This in Law School!

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Bryan Austin, of Law firm Alchemy and Red Kraken Creative, guest-hosts this week's episode to talk about his recent bestselling book and the process that took him from page one, to the #1 new release for its category in just two and... more

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Tifiny Swedensky, owner of Smart Cookie, LLC, helps law firm owners and in-house marketing teams stay effective when the market shifts, platforms change, and the economy refuses to sit still.

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There is a gap between being an amateur and being a professional that few bridge as entrepreneurs. It's what gets you stuck and holds you back from what you could accomplish. Why does this happen and how can you fix it? We talk abou... more

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What would happen if all the social media platforms went away? Most law firm owners would panic and not be able to reach out to their contacts. But the ones who follow this advice will keep moving forward... and they get a lot of be... more

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Darren Wurz
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Tony Albrecht
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Gary Sarner
Founder of Roi360 Plus
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Episode: Building a Brand that Sticks with Gary Sarner
Kellam Parks
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Jay Ruane
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Rory Safir
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Matt Conrad
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Charley Mann
Host of They Don't Teach This in Law School; known for blending practical business guidance with legal industry insights.

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5.0 out of 5 stars from 61 ratings
  • Thanks for this podcast!

    Family law attorney here- I shared the most recent episode with my intake staff, and think it will help with follow up!

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    5
    one stars palmehdkdjd
    United States3 months ago
  • 5/5 Stars

    Really enjoy the show! I originally listened for Ron Latz and Bo Royal, but I keep coming back. Great host, great guests…highly recommend!

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    5
    Kate Schenkel VDM
    United States10 months ago
  • Great podcast for the entrepreneurial lawyer.

    Charley knows his stuff and always has amazing guests. Lots to be learned.

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    5
    TonaLaw
    United Statesa year ago
  • Wisdom, Authenticity, and Relevant

    It’s not just a resource for attorneys; it’s a masterclass in professional and personal growth.

    In a crowded podcast landscape, this one stands out for its authenticity, wisdom, and relevance. Highly recommended!

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    5
    Christopher David 37
    United Statesa year ago
  • Every Lawyer Should Listen

    Just like the podcast name says, host Charley Mann brings you the content you WISH they had taught you in law school but didn’t.

    The variety of guests he brings on the show, the topics relevant to different types of practice areas, and his excellent ability to ask good questions and very naturally drive a conversation, it truly is Law School 2.0 with real advice, for free, and available to everyone.

    I highly recommend!

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    Delisi_Araceli
    United States2 years ago

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Great host with consistently actionable takeaways for law firm owners.
Listeners praise practical operations, marketing, and growth advice that's easy to apply.
Thoughtful cross-industry insights help lawyers treat their firms like scalable businesses.
Guests bring real-world expertise; episodes balance theory and implementation.

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Building a Brand that Sticks with Gary Sarner
Q: What is the one thing they don't teach you in law school?
Gary explains that his two kids taught him two things: compassion for clients and the importance of understanding how to run a business, emphasizing that business knowledge is as vital as legal skill when starting and growing a practice.
How to Adapt Your Law Firm’s Marketing to a Rapidly Changing Economy with Tifiny Swedensky
Q: So what's the one thing They Dont Teach You in Law School?
The guest emphasizes building a marketing leadership structure, such as establishing a marketing director/CMO role, and to think of marketing as a team effort rather than a lone in-house hero. They discuss how firms often need leadership to coordinate specialists and external vendors to execute a full marketing program.
Create an EXCEPTIONAL CLIENT EXPERIENCE with John Cooper
Q: What drove the decision for you and Jim to move into the railroad practice area?
Both had prior trial experiences in FELA and aimed to create a niche area within injury law that provided new revenue streams.
Create an EXCEPTIONAL CLIENT EXPERIENCE with John Cooper
Q: As you saw the business side continue to grow, how did you balance your advocacy for quality of legal services while also enabling the scaling of the practice?
By ensuring both quality service and efficiency to have happy clients, which contributes to positive reviews and business growth.
Create an EXCEPTIONAL CLIENT EXPERIENCE with John Cooper
Q: What's the one thing they don't teach you in law school?
How to run a small business and be a successful operator, focusing on the business side of law that was not taught previously.

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A business-focused show for entrepreneurial lawyers, emphasizing practical strategies to run and grow law firms as real businesses. Episodes spotlight marketing, hiring, time management, and data-driven operations, often tying cross-industry insights to legal practice. Listeners can expect candid discussions, actionable takeaways, and guidance on building client-centric firms that compete beyond traditional legal training. Noteworthy is the recurring emphasis on direct-response marketing, multimedia outreach, and treating marketing as a core firm competency rather than an afterthought.

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