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Second-Class Saints: Black Mormons and the Struggle for Racial Equality w/ Dr. Matt Harris.

Mormon Stories Podcast
Mormon Church
Priesthood Ban
Racial Equality
Civil Rights Movement
Black Mormons
LDS Church
Civil Rights
Brigham Young
Second-Class Saints: Black Mormons and the Struggle For Racial Equality
Hugh B. Brown
BYU
Elijah Abel
Racism
Spencer W. Kimball
Jane Manning James
Brigham Young University
Interracial Marriage
Joseph Smith
Black Lives Matter
Ezra Taft Benson

In this podcast we will be taking a deep dive into the book "Second-Class Saints: Black Mormons and the Struggle for Racial Equality" with Dr. Matt Harris. This a project of Mormon Stories Podcast and the Open Stories Foundation.

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Artwork for Second-Class Saints: Black Mormons and the Struggle for Racial Equality

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Today we are discussing pivotal moments, from the Church’s “Race and the Priesthood” essay to public statements on racism, and the ongoing struggle for meaningful engagement on these issues. Highlights include racial inequities, discussions on the la... more

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Join us as Matthew Harris returns to discuss Gordon B. Hinckley's efforts to address lingering racism in the church, the push to remove Bruce R. McConkie's Mormon Doctrine from shelves, and members' calls for an apology for the church's past racism. ... more

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Join us today as we meet again with historian Matt Harris to discuss his new book “Second Class Saints: Black Mormons and the Struggle for Racial Equality.” Matt Harris talks about the relationship between the Church and the John Birch Society and ho... more

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The priesthood and temple ban began when Brigham Young learned that Black Saints were marrying white women, fearing interracial marriage. When the ban was finally lifted it was only with the caveat that they continued to warn the members against inte... more

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Harada Sumano
Episode: 16: Mormon Prophets' Push to Erase Racist Past | Ep. 1963
Dr. Matthew Harris
Author of 'Second-Class Saints: Black Mormons and the Struggle for Racial Equality'
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Dr. Darron Smith
Recurring guest and scholar in racial dynamics within the church
Episode: 11: Mormon Prophets Hired Snipers for 1967 General Conference
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Author and scholar discussing Black Mormons and racial equality
Episode: 08: Mormon Politicians Confront Prophets Over Racism
Nate Byrd
A recovering Mormon and member of the Black Menaces
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Episode: 04: Revealing The Secret Mormon Report That Shattered Racist “Doctrine” - The Bennion Report

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Dr. John DeLinn
Host of Mormon Stories Podcast, engaging in deep analysis of Mormon history and contemporary issues.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 45 ratings
  • Matt approached this project with meticulous detail and neutrality allowing the evidence form the narrative. Gripping!

    Audible
    5
    Miss Mary
    United Statesa year ago
  • Should be required listening.

    Fantastic! This should be required listening for every LDS person.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    BBushman98
    United Statesa year ago
  • Amazing!

    This series is amazing! Matt Harris is a remarkable and thoughtful scholar who tackles a sensitive history with care and honesty. The series also sheds light on how things actually work within the church. This is worth every member’s, ex-member’s, and likely even never-member’s time! Mr. Harris took fifteen years writing this book and the amount of insight and information is astounding!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ShineTheLight1
    United Statesa year ago
  • Where did all the episodes go?

    I love this podcast. Where did all the episodes go? They were here yesterday, now gone.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Sleeper0097
    United States2 years ago
  • Insightful and profound

    I love listening to Harris share his immense historical knowledge. His analysis is insightful and appeals to the history major in me. As always, Dehlin is a thoughtful host. He leads the conversation tactfully and allows his guests to shine.

    Whether you have an interest in 20th century American history (particularly the Civil Rights Movement), or have a dog in the Mormon fight, this podcast is worth every minute!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Kath1310
    South Africa2 years ago

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Many highlight the podcast as essential listening for those invested in understanding racial issues in a religious context, underscoring its value for both members and non-members of the faith.
Listeners express appreciation for the insightful and in-depth analysis of racial dynamics within the Mormon Church.
Critiques of the church's history and current doctrines resonate strongly, with several reviewers praising the thoughtful approach taken by the host and guests.

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16: Mormon Prophets' Push to Erase Racist Past | Ep. 1963
Q: What does this mean, in terms of the church's progress on racial issues today and the future?
I hope that they can continue to heal from these very deep racial lines and divisions that have been in place for so many decades.
16: Mormon Prophets' Push to Erase Racist Past | Ep. 1963
Q: How is it possible that members who teach this doctrine believe it?
The members just have never been told that it is not what we're supposed to teach anymore on that.
16: Mormon Prophets' Push to Erase Racist Past | Ep. 1963
Q: How would that be?
It's amazing. I appreciate the support.
12: Revelation or Secret Meeting? How the Mormon Priesthood and Temple Bans Ended
Q: What were the events and who were the key figures that precipitated or led up to the lifting of the priesthood and temple ban for the LDS Church on people of African descent?
Key figures included Spencer W. Kimball, along with others who contributed to the discussions and eventual lifting of the ban, as detailed in Dr. Harris's book. The events leading up were marked by societal pressures and internal dialogues within the church.
13: Mormon Prophet Slams Apostles for Fabricating Miracle Story
Q: Elder McConkie, why did you embellish details of the revelation?
While some may argue it was embellishment to protect the faith and narrative of the church, I believe it was a mixture of enthusiasm for what had transpired and the desire for acceptance from the church members.

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Exploring the complex interplay of race and faith, this podcast addresses the historical and ongoing struggles of Black Mormons within the larger context of racial equality. Episodes typically feature insightful discussions surrounding the significant themes of racial dynamics, church policies, and personal narratives that illustrate the experiences of Black members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Notably, the host often engages with academic experts and advocates who offer scholarly perspectives along with personal stories, creating a thoughtful dialogue about the implications of past and present racial issues within the church. This unique approach allows listeners to gain a multifaceted understanding of the challenges... more

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