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Hey Not The Face! Podcast

John S. Nash & Stephie Haynes
UFC
Dana White
Boxing
MMA
Conor Mcgregor
PFL
TKO
Muhammad Ali American Boxing Revival Act
Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act
Saudi Arabia
Francis Ngannou
One Championship
Ali Act
Antitrust Lawsuit
Zuffa Boxing
Global Fight League
Donald Trump
Bellator
Canelo Alvarez
ESPN

A newsletter and podcast covering the business of face-punching! heynottheface.substack.com

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SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT

In today’s episode, we’re looking at the comments Sean Strickland made regarding what he calls the UFC’s “predatory pay” tactics... more

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In today’s episode, we’re looking at the newly released TKO financials and discussing their quarterly earnings call. We discuss ... more

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In today’s episode, we’re looking at the newly revised Muhammad Ali American Boxing Revival Act and the MVP-PFL merger as our pr... more

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Recent Guests

Kevin Nash
WWE legend frequently referenced in discussion
Episode: Should WWE talent unionize? | Ep. 251
John Fitch
Former UFC fighter, named plaintiff in UFC class action
UFC class action litigation
Episode: Exclusive Interview: UFC antitrust Litigant Jon Fitch | Ep. 237
Gabriel Burris
Amateur boxer and advocate against the Muhammad Ali American Boxing Revival Act
Episode: Interview: Gabriel Burris, amateur boxer | Ep. 214
Matt Brown
Legendary former UFC fighter with numerous accolades
Formerly UFC
Episode: Interview: "The Immortal" Matt Brown (video) | Ep. 213
Rob Maysey
Architect of the UFC antitrust lawsuits and founder of the MMA Fighters Association
MMA Fighters Association
Episode: Interview exclusive: UFC antitrust case architect Rob Maysey, Esq. | Ep. 179
Kurt Emhoff
Lawyer, Manager, and Host of Boxing Esquire Podcast
Boxing Esquire Podcast
Episode: Can anything stop TKO's boxing takeover featuring Kurt Emhoff, Esq. | Ep. 175
Eugene S. Robinson
Legendary figure in the music and mixed martial arts world, renowned for his work with Oxbow, Bunuel, and as an author.
Episode: One Night Only: UFC 317 Care-Don't Care with Eugene S. Robinson | Ep. 167
Luke Thomas
Esteemed journalist known for his coverage of MMA and host of Morning Combat.
Substack, Morning Combat
Episode: The business of combat sports with Luke Thomas | Ep. 155
Terence Crawford
Welterweight boxing champion
Episode: How much did Bud Crawford get right about UFC pay | Ep. 144

Hosts

John Nash
Host with deep industry insight and analytical framing on MMA business and media; multiple entries show recurring role across episodes.
Steffi Haynes
Producer and host with hands-on role in researching and presenting business-focused MMA topics; appears across multiple episodes with producer credits.

Reviews

4.4 out of 5 stars from 15 ratings
  • Real Journalism

    Real content without fluff and self indulgence

    MMA History Podcast

    Mike Davis

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Iron shiek
    United States6 months ago
  • Absolutely worth the listen!

    Best podcast out there for a fighter’s fighter! - Gabriel

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Good4Boxing15
    United States10 months ago

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Insightful, data-driven takes on MMA business and media dynamics.
High-signal analysis of antitrust and sponsorship that goes beyond headlines.
Candid and skeptical about branding, governance, and fighter pay.
Great guests and sharp hosts who aren't afraid to challenge narratives.

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Exclusive Interview: UFC antitrust Litigant Jon Fitch | Ep. 237
Q: When did you first realize the antitrust implications of the UFC business model?
Fitch describes gradually recognizing the non-competitive structure of the sport during legal discussions, which clarified why the lawsuits argued that the system limited competition and harmed fighter pay over time.
Interview: Gabriel Burris, amateur boxer | Ep. 214
Q: What specifically about the UBO structure do you think is bad for fighters?
The UBO structure is harmful as it allows for monopolization and lacks essential protections for fighters, which could lead to exploitation.
Interview: Gabriel Burris, amateur boxer | Ep. 214
Q: What is your boxing background? How did you get into boxing and what is your current status?
I'm currently an amateur boxer who's been training for three years and was injured training for a fight, which led me to advocacy.
Response to Andy Foster interview with Ariel Helwani | Ep. 198
Q: Why do you think Andy Foster is supporting the bill?
Foster's support may be driven by the California State Athletic Commission's need for revenue from major events, linking to the broader monopolistic leverage TKO appears to exert.
Response to Andy Foster interview with Ariel Helwani | Ep. 198
Q: What do you think about Foster's claim that the promoters and sanctioning organizations won't be impacted by the bill?
The claim is technically true, as it won't apply to them if they choose the alternative method, but they will be impacted due to the advantages given to TKO.

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Two-host format delivers sharp, data-driven takes on the business side of combat sports, with a strong emphasis on UFC, its management ecosystem, antitrust issues, and how media, sponsorships, and streaming influence fighter commerce. Episodes blend timely headlines, court filings, and industry lore, often weighing governance, branding, and revenue splits against fighter leverage and market dynamics. Notable angles include the UFC-WWE/TKO backdrop, cross-promotional strategy, and the role of streaming and sponsor partnerships in shaping the sport's economics. The show is candid, skeptical, and well-suited for listeners who want practical insight for sponsorship, PR pitching, or competitive intelligence in sports business.

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7. Eugene S. Robinson
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