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“Derisky Business” is a show that explores economic security issues within the broader national security and foreign policy landscape. Hosts Emily Kilcrease and Geoffrey Gertz dive into the weeds on issues like export controls, tariffs, and trade, linking these issues to broader debates on how to advance U.S. global economic leadership during times of geopolitical turbulence. Listen for new episod... more

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Derisky Business is returning for season 2! After a brief hiatus in which obviously nothing (nothing!) notable happened in the world of trade and economic security, Emily and Geoff are back to dive into all your favorite economic security topics. In ... more

We interrupt our summer break to provide quick reactions to news this week that the Trump administration will begin allowing Nvidia and AMD to sell certain advanced semiconductors to China - so long as those companies agree to pay a commission fee to... more

Emily and Geoff break their summer hiatus to launch a new CNAS report detailing insights from a trade wargame that examined how foreign governments might respond to a dramatic increase in U.S. tariffs. For this live event they are joined by trade exp... more

While Derisky Business goes on summer break, revisit your favorite episodes of the podcast and dive into the Summer Reading List, featuring book recommendations from previous podcast guests and work from CNAS experts. Emily and Geoff will be back in ... more

Richard Nephew, expert on sanctions and Iran’s nuclear program, joins Emily and Geoff to discuss the long history of U.S. policy towards Iran, the role of sanctions in constraining Iran’s nuclear program, and why the United States decided to proceed ... more

Geoff and Emily debrief on the latest news in the U.S.-China trade talks. Becca Wasser, senior fellow and deputy director of the CNAS defense program, joins to talk about what Trump’s tariffs mean for the defense industrial base.Shownotes:

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To celebrate the podcast's one year anniversary, Emily and Geoff break down some big picture questions on how the trade wars are unfolding and the future of the global economic order.

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Paul Scharre, AI expert and CNAS Executive Vice President, joins Geoff and Emily to talk about Trump’s AI dealmaking in the Gulf, the rescission of the Biden-era AI diffusion regulations, and the implications for U.S. national security.

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Recent Guests

Richard Fontaine
CEO of the Center for a New American Security
Center for a New American Security
Episode: What Just Happened in the Trade War + Getting Yippy with Richard Fontaine
Eddie Fishman
Adjunct senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security and author of Chokepoints.
Center for a New American Security
Episode: “Chokepoints” with Edward Fishman
Peter Harrell
Non-resident fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, formerly Senior Director for International Economics in the Biden White House.
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Episode: No Way to Wage a Trade War with Peter Harrell and JP Morgan's Joyce Chang
Joyce Chang
Global Chair of Research at JP Morgan, Commercial and Investment Bank.
JP Morgan
Episode: No Way to Wage a Trade War with Peter Harrell and JP Morgan's Joyce Chang
Alexander Panetta
Washington correspondent for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
Episode: Canada Reacts to Trump Tariffs with CBC’s Alexander Panetta
Agathe Demarais
Senior Policy Fellow for Geoeconomics at the European Council on Foreign Relations and author of 'Backfire, How US Sanctions Reshape the World Against US Interests'
European Council on Foreign Relations
Episode: America First Investment Policy + Europe's Trump Strategy with Agathe Demarais
Bruce Andrews
Former corporate vice president and chief government affairs officer at Intel, with a background in both public and private sectors including as deputy secretary of the Department of Commerce.
Intel
Episode: Bruce Andrews on the Geopolitics of Semiconductors
Stacie Pettyjohn
Senior Fellow and Director of the Defense Program at CNAS
Center for a New American Security
Episode: Colombia Tariffs, Banning Chinese Drones, and Stacie Pettyjohn on Drone Warfare
Paul Scharre
Director of Studies at CNAS and expert in AI and military applications
Center for a New American Security
Episode: Biden’s Big Bet to Control AI Diffusion with Paul Scharre

Hosts

Emily Kilcrease
Co-host and expert in economic security issues
Geoff Gertz
Co-host with expertise in trade and economic policy

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Canada Reacts to Trump Tariffs with CBC’s Alexander Panetta
Q: How has Canada's retaliation strategy come into place and how has that been played out?
Alex detailed how Canada planned a series of retaliatory tariffs to counter U.S. measures, aiming to stagger their implementation to lessen domestic economic impact.
Canada Reacts to Trump Tariffs with CBC’s Alexander Panetta
Q: Can you walk us through a little bit of what's happened over the last week and what's the response in Canada been so far?
Alex explained the timeline of tariff announcements and Canada's economic preparation for the tariffs, highlighting the political ramifications for Trudeau's government.
Taking Trump’s Tariffs Threats Seriously
Q: What does the USTR position entail?
USTR is responsible for the negotiation and enforcement of trade agreements on behalf of the United States.
Biden’s Big Bet to Control AI Diffusion with Paul Scharre
Q: What's at stake here on national security concerns with AI?
AI is becoming significant as a strategically relevant technology, with implications for cybersecurity and bioweapons development.
“Chokepoints” with Edward Fishman
Q: What can we do on sanctions at this point?
Eddie analyzes the current state of Iran's nuclear program and the implications of existing sanctions, expressing concern over the potential for a nuclear-armed Iran.

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