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Trial Tested: A Podcast by the American College of Trial Lawyers presents enlightening discussions about life and law through interviews with prominent trial lawyers and significant figures in the world of trial law. From lead counsel in historic cases to justices of the court, you will hear from the people who have made an impact in the courtroom – and in life. Hosted by Fellows of the College, T... more

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What does it really take to change the culture of a profession? In this episode of Trial Tested, host James Brown sits down with the Honorable George Strathy, former Chief Justice of Ontario, for a deeply personal and wide-ranging conversation about ... more

In this episode, host Dave Thomas is joined by four Fellows of the American College of Trial Lawyers: Michael Critchley, Kevin Marino, Henry Klingeman, and Lawrence Lustberg. Together, they unpack the high-profile prosecution of New Jersey power brok... more

Past President of the American College of Trial Lawyers (ACTL) Fran Wikstrom joins host Vince Citro to reflect on a journey shaped as much by loading docks and dishwashing jobs as by his time at Yale Law School. He discusses how he developed a straig... more

In this episode of Trial Tested, host Amy Gunn welcomes Missy Wright, Kimball Anderson, and John Siffert to explore the importance of mentorship. They discuss how mentoring – rooted in a commitment to civility, professionalism, and the rule of law – ... more

Join host Sandra Barton for a conversation with Elliot Peters about the unconventional path and pivotal cases that shaped his career. Peters recounts leaving New York University School of Law after his first year, then returning with renewed purpose ... more

In this episode of Trial Tested, Greg Craig traces his journey from achieving his law degree at Yale Law School – where classmates included Hillary Rodham Clinton and Bill Clinton – to a career defined by landmark trials and public service. Early in ... more

The College’s 75th President, Rick Deane, sits down with host Amy Gunn in this special Presidents’ Day episode of Trial Tested. Deane reflects on the encouragement of his grandmother and his early fascination with the law, sparked by watching Perry M... more

Trial lawyers live in a constant state of problem-solving, competition, and high stakes – exactly the kind of environment that can quietly push the brain into chronic fight-or-flight. In this episode, host Amy Gunn sits down with University of Denver... more

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Recent Guests

George R. Strathy
Former Chief Justice of Ontario
Ontario judiciary
Episode: S14E6: Mental Health in the Legal Profession — A Candid Conversation with Former Chief Justice George Strathy
Michael Critchley
New Jersey trial lawyer, lead defense counsel for George Norcross III
Parker McKay (through his leadership role)
Episode: S14E5: The Norcross Prosecution with Michael Critchley, Kevin Marino, Henry Klingeman and Lawrence Lustberg
Henry Klingeman
Federal practitioner with extensive trial experience
Private practice
Episode: S14E5: The Norcross Prosecution with Michael Critchley, Kevin Marino, Henry Klingeman and Lawrence Lustberg
Lawrence Lustberg
Partner at Gibbons with White Collar and appellate emphasis
Gibbons P.C.
Episode: S14E5: The Norcross Prosecution with Michael Critchley, Kevin Marino, Henry Klingeman and Lawrence Lustberg
Kevin Marino
Founding partner of Marino Tortorella & Boyle, white-collar defense
Marino Tortorella & Boyle
Episode: S14E5: The Norcross Prosecution with Michael Critchley, Kevin Marino, Henry Klingeman and Lawrence Lustberg
Francis Fran Wikstrom
Attorney with a background as federal prosecutor and trial lawyer; former chair of Utah Supreme Court Advisory Committee on the Rules of Civil Procedure; 65th president of the American College of Trial Lawyers
Utah; American College of Trial Lawyers
Episode: S14E4: Clarity in the Courtroom: Simplifying Complex Cases with Fran Wikstrom
Missy Wright
Partner at Thompson-Hine; fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers; involved in mentoring
Thompson-Hine
Episode: S14E3: Building Better Lawyers Through Mentorship with Missy Wright, Kimball Anderson and John Siffert
John Siffert
Founding partner of Lankler, Siffert, and Wall; fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers; chairing/leading mentoring initiatives
Lankler, Siffert, and Wall
Episode: S14E3: Building Better Lawyers Through Mentorship with Missy Wright, Kimball Anderson and John Siffert
Kimball Anderson
Partner at Winston & Strawn; focuses on antitrust, patent infringement, class actions; long-time mentor and leader in mentoring efforts
Winston & Strawn
Episode: S14E3: Building Better Lawyers Through Mentorship with Missy Wright, Kimball Anderson and John Siffert

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Amy Gunn
Host of Trial Tested
Renée Rothauge
Host of Trial Tested

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S14E6: Mental Health in the Legal Profession — A Candid Conversation with Former Chief Justice George Strathy
Q: Can you share personal stories that shaped your view on stigma and how that informs your approach to leadership in law?
He discusses his mother's illness, his own past coping with alcohol, and how sharing these experiences publicly helped reduce stigma and encouraged others to seek help.
S14E6: Mental Health in the Legal Profession — A Candid Conversation with Former Chief Justice George Strathy
Q: How did you become interested in mental health within the legal profession, and why did you decide to advocate so publicly?
Strathy explains that the motivation grew from a personal family history with mental illness and a commitment to move beyond stigma, culminating in writing a paper and presenting at a Mental Health Summit to catalyze cultural change.
S14E4: Clarity in the Courtroom: Simplifying Complex Cases with Fran Wikstrom
Q: What was the key catalyst from your early law school years that prepared you for trial advocacy?
Getting involved in trial advocacy early, helping to build a formal course, and leading the Barrister's Union at Yale provided practical competition, mentorship, and a model for trying cases that stayed with me throughout my career.
S14E4: Clarity in the Courtroom: Simplifying Complex Cases with Fran Wikstrom
Q: Looking back, what do you see as best practices and worst practices for lawyers when talking to judges and juries?
Be yourself and talk with jurors in a conversational way rather than trying to perform; authenticity and clear storytelling trump showmanship, and you should anchor your arguments in simple, relatable themes tied to human experiences.
S14E1: Defending Presidents and Controversial Clients with Greg Craig
Q: How did your experience in public defense inform your later work in high-profile political cases like the Clinton impeachment?
The core trial skills—jury/assembly management, cross-examination, and strategic witness selection—translated to a legislative context, guiding how to present complex factual and legal issues to persuade a large, diverse body of decision-makers.

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What is Trial Tested about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Trial Tested offers in-depth conversations with prominent trial lawyers, judges, and other influential figures connected to trial law. Episodes frequently explore high-profile cases, ethics, civility, the evolution of legal standards, and the intersection of law with media, public policy, and well-being. The show tends to feature career-defining experiences, mentorship, and practical lessons for trial practitioners, along with broader reflections on justice and public service. A standout pattern is the mix of courtroom craft, leadership in the profession, and personal storytelling that reveals how lawyers navigate pressure, media scrutiny, and societal change. Potential listeners—particularly trial attorneys, law students, and executives at... more

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