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Munger Tolles & Olson
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Sutherland Springs Church Shooting
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Trial Tested: A Podcast by the American College of Trial Lawyers presents enlightening discussions about life and law through interviews with prominent trial lawyers and significant figures in the world of trial law. From lead counsel in historic cases to justices of the court, you will hear from the people who have made an impact in the courtroom – and in life. Hosted by Fellows of the College, T... more

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Judge A. Howard Matz, former U.S. District Judge for the Central District of California, sits down with host Dave Thomas to explore the concept of judicial independence – what it means in practice and why it matters to the rule of law. Judge Matz dis... more

Michael Burrage made history as the first Native American federal judge to be appointed in the United States. A member of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma, Burrage has spent decades using the law to protect tribal sovereignty, preserve natural resource... more

Dean Strang's career has been anything but conventional. Best known to many as defense counsel featured in Netflix's Making a Murderer, Dean joins host Vince Citro to discuss the experiences that have shaped his decades-long commitment to the pursuit... more

Host Amy Gunn welcomes trial attorneys Claire Hunter, K.C., Mark Surprenant and Kimball Anderson as they share how pro bono opportunities have shaped their careers – from providing invaluable courtroom experience early in their careers to bringing la... more

Drawing on four decades of experience as a federal prosecutor, criminal defense attorney, and trial lawyer, John Lauro sits down with host Vince Citro to reflect on the qualities that define exceptional advocacy: preparation, professionalism, and an ... more

Why do we instantly click with some people while feeling disconnected from others? In this episode, journalist, and bestselling author Kate Murphy joins host Amy Gunn to discuss her new book, Why We Click, and explores how biological processes influe... more

What does it really take to change the culture of a profession? In this episode of Trial Tested, host James Brown sits down with the Honorable George Strathy, former Chief Justice of Ontario, for a deeply personal and wide-ranging conversation about ... more

In this episode, host Dave Thomas is joined by four Fellows of the American College of Trial Lawyers: Michael Critchley, Kevin Marino, Henry Klingeman, and Lawrence Lustberg. Together, they unpack the high-profile prosecution of New Jersey power brok... more

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Recent Guests

Michael Burrage
Prominent trial lawyer, first Native American federal judge in the United States
Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma
Episode: S15E5: Righting Wrongs Through the Law with Michael Burrage
Dean Strang
Prominent trial lawyer, legal historian, and co-creator of Wisconsin's federal defender programs
Dean Strang (Attorney)
Episode: S15E4: Beyond the Verdict – Dean Strang on the Human Side of Criminal Defense
Claire Hunter
Pro bono advocate and fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers
Hunter Litigation Chambers / British Columbia Bar
Episode: S15E3: Do Well by Doing Good – A Discussion about Pro Bono with Claire Hunter, K.C., Mark Surprenant and Kimball Anderson
Mark Surprenant
Pro bono advocate and former chair of the Distinguished Pro Bono Fellows Committee
Adams & Rees LLP
Episode: S15E3: Do Well by Doing Good – A Discussion about Pro Bono with Claire Hunter, K.C., Mark Surprenant and Kimball Anderson
John Lauro
Attorney, Lauro and Singer; lead trial counsel for President Trump in the January 6 election interference case
Lauro and Singer
Episode: S15E2: High Stakes Advocacy in the Public Eye – a Conversation with John Lauro
Kate Murphy
Houston-based journalist and author of Why We Click
Author, Why We Click
Episode: S15E1: Why We Click – and Why it Matters in the Courtroom with Author Kate Murphy
George R. Strathy
Former Chief Justice of Ontario
Ontario judiciary
Episode: S14E6: Mental Health in the Legal Profession — A Candid Conversation with Former Chief Justice George Strathy
Michael Critchley
New Jersey trial lawyer, lead defense counsel for George Norcross III
Parker McKay (through his leadership role)
Episode: S14E5: The Norcross Prosecution with Michael Critchley, Kevin Marino, Henry Klingeman and Lawrence Lustberg
Henry Klingeman
Federal practitioner with extensive trial experience
Private practice
Episode: S14E5: The Norcross Prosecution with Michael Critchley, Kevin Marino, Henry Klingeman and Lawrence Lustberg

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Dave Thomas
Host of Trial Tested
Vince Citro
Host of Trial Tested
Amy Gunn
Host of Trial Tested

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S15E4: Beyond the Verdict – Dean Strang on the Human Side of Criminal Defense
Q: What advice would you give to lawyers today that are trying cases in the public eye, given real-time media coverage?
Think ahead about media interaction, ethics of what you say, and how local coverage can affect ongoing work; abroad attention adds further strain, so prepare and protect loved ones while staying focused on clients and professional responsibilities.
S15E2: High Stakes Advocacy in the Public Eye – a Conversation with John Lauro
Q: How did you assemble your team for such a massive, document-heavy case, and what were the key challenges?
We expanded from a small boutique to roughly 20 lawyers, created a remote firm, and relied on rigorous vetting, daily strategy meetings, and a holistic narrative approach to connect research into a coherent defense.
S14E6: Mental Health in the Legal Profession — A Candid Conversation with Former Chief Justice George Strathy
Q: Can you share personal stories that shaped your view on stigma and how that informs your approach to leadership in law?
He discusses his mother's illness, his own past coping with alcohol, and how sharing these experiences publicly helped reduce stigma and encouraged others to seek help.
S14E6: Mental Health in the Legal Profession — A Candid Conversation with Former Chief Justice George Strathy
Q: How did you become interested in mental health within the legal profession, and why did you decide to advocate so publicly?
Strathy explains that the motivation grew from a personal family history with mental illness and a commitment to move beyond stigma, culminating in writing a paper and presenting at a Mental Health Summit to catalyze cultural change.
S14E4: Clarity in the Courtroom: Simplifying Complex Cases with Fran Wikstrom
Q: What was the key catalyst from your early law school years that prepared you for trial advocacy?
Getting involved in trial advocacy early, helping to build a formal course, and leading the Barrister's Union at Yale provided practical competition, mentorship, and a model for trying cases that stayed with me throughout my career.

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What is Trial Tested about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Trial Tested offers in-depth conversations with prominent trial lawyers, judges, and legal scholars, focusing on practical trial craft, mentorship, ethics, and the culture of the legal profession. Across recent episodes, listeners get nuanced discussions on how storytelling, civility, and well-being intersect with high-stakes litigation, leadership within firms, and reforms in civil procedure and trial practice. Notable angles include addressing mental health in the legal community, coordinating high-profile defense teams, mentoring the next generation of trial lawyers, and reflections from veteran practitioners on the evolving role of trial advocacy in public life. The show often pairs personal narratives with actionable takeaways for impr... more

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