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ABF Journal's Thought Leadership Podcast

ABF Journal
Asset-Based Lending
Private Credit
Private Equity
Interest Rates
Automation In Credit Management
Healthcare
SLR Capital Partners
National Business Capital
Credit Infrastructure
Consumer Finance
Real Estate
Lender Finance
Asset Management
Article 9 Restructuring
Middle Market M&A
Banks
Liability Management Exercises
Tariffs
DIP Financing
M&A

ABF Journal has launched a podcast series featuring real-time conversations with industry leaders to discuss pressing topics and offer insight into the future.

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Banks are moving upmarket — deal sizes that used to be $5-10 million are now $25-50 million at many institutions, leaving smaller businesses out in the cold.In this episode, Joe Camberato, CEO of National Business Capital, joins us to break down wher... more

How has DIP financing changed in today’s Chapter 11 cases? In this episode of the ABF Journal Podcast, Editor in Chief Rita Garwood sits down with Seth Lieberman, partner at Pryor Cashman, to discuss the biggest trends shaping DIP financing and bankr... more

What's actually being evaluated when a lender can close a deal in days instead of weeks — and what's the trade-off in risk?In this episode of ABF Journal's Thought Leadership Podcast, Joe Camberato, founder and CEO of National Business Capital, break... more

For the average importer in 2026, inventory is now 15% more expensive than it was just a year ago. But does a higher cost on the balance sheet translate to higher recovery values?In this episode, Rita Garwood sits down with Alex Sutton, Head of Resea... more

In this episode of the ABF Journal Podcast, editor in chief Rita Garwood sits down with two of the leading experts in liability management covenant analysis: Julian Bulaon, head of liability management for Americas Covenants at Octus, and Melissa Kel... more

In this episode of the ABF Journal Podcast, editor in chief Rita Garwood sits down with Brian Rosa, president of asset finance at Mitsubishi HC Capital America, to explore one of the most significant — and underreported — shifts reshaping the industr... more

As senior lenders tighten advance rates in the current credit cycle, businesses are facing new hurdles in the capital stack. In this episode, Rita Garwood, Editor in Chief of ABF Journal, sits down with Joe Camberato, Founder and CEO of National Busi... more

As the M&A market heats up, so does the potential for litigation. In this episode of the ABF Journal Podcast, Editor-in-Chief Rita Garwood sits down with Frank Dery and Kevin Hagon from Berkeley Research Group (BRG) to dissect their latest report on ... more

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Seth Lieberman
Partner at Pryor Cashman; restructuring group lead and corporate trust practice co-head
Pryor Cashman
Episode: Pulse Podcast #19: Today's DIP Financing Landscape: Seth Lieberman on the Issues Reshaping Chapter 11
Alex Sutton
Head of Research at Gordon Brothers
Gordon Brothers
Episode: Pulse Podcast #17: 15% Premium: Navigating the Rising Cost of Inventory and Asset Valuations in 2026
Julian Bulaon
Head of liability management for Americas Covenants at Octus; focuses on reviewing credit agreements and bond documents for LMEs
Octus
Episode: Pulse Podcast #16: Lender on Lender: Inside the Legal Arms Race Reshaping Liability Management
Melissa Kelley
Deputy head of the Americas Covenants team; does primary market and LME analysis; litigated LMEs in NY and London
Octus
Episode: Pulse Podcast #16: Lender on Lender: Inside the Legal Arms Race Reshaping Liability Management
Brian Rosa
President of Asset Finance Business at Mitsubishi HC Capital America
Mitsubishi HC Capital America
Episode: Pulse Podcast #15: The New Era of Bank — Independent Lender Partnerships
Joe Camberato
Founder and CEO of National Business Capital
National Business Capital
Episode: Pulse Podcast #14: Covenants, Collaboration, and Capital: A Deep Dive into Subordinate Debt
Frank Dery
Managing Director, BRG
BRG
Episode: Pulse Podcast #13: The Eye of the Storm: Navigating the Surge in Middle-Market M&A Disputes
Kevin Hagon
Director, BRG (London Office)
BRG
Episode: Pulse Podcast #13: The Eye of the Storm: Navigating the Surge in Middle-Market M&A Disputes
Matt Pencek
Head of Solomon Edwards National Private Equity Services practice
Solomon Edwards
Episode: Pulse Podcast #12: Beyond the Zombie Buildup: Why Integration is the New Value Creation Currency

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Rita Garwood
Editor-in-Chief of ABF Journal and host of Thought Leadership initiatives within ABF Journal. Frequent moderator and industry commentator.

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Pulse Podcast #19: Today's DIP Financing Landscape: Seth Lieberman on the Issues Reshaping Chapter 11
Q: Can you share a little bit about yourself?
Seth Lieberman explains his role at Pryor Cashman, leading the restructuring group and corporate trust practice, with a focus on representing agents and trustees in major Chapter 11s.
Pulse Podcast #18: Speed vs. Structure: The Case for High-Velocity Underwriting in Middle Market and SME Deals
Q: So when you tell a traditional lender that you're closing deals in days, how do you respond to the common objections?
The host asks about objections, and the guest explains that while some lenders are surprised or skeptical, the company has built a fast, scalable process with a combination of robust infrastructure, technology, and an engaged team, including in-person site visits for larger deals. They emphasize that speed does not mean neglecting risk, but rather applying disciplined checks and leveraging the right partners to validate information quickly.
Pulse Podcast #14: Covenants, Collaboration, and Capital: A Deep Dive into Subordinate Debt
Q: How does collaboration with senior lenders and private equity groups shape underwriting and pricing of subordinate risk?
Collaboration is key; we don't rely on projections alone but assess current cash flow and realistic opportunities, ensuring all parties are comfortable and aligned on goals to keep liquidity moving.
Pulse Podcast #14: Covenants, Collaboration, and Capital: A Deep Dive into Subordinate Debt
Q: How fast can you underwrite and fund deals compared with traditional mezzanine, especially in complex M&A scenarios?
We underwrite in five to ten business days and fund in five to fifteen, with a notable example of an $8 million deal funded in a single week thanks to a highly coordinated team.
Pulse Podcast #14: Covenants, Collaboration, and Capital: A Deep Dive into Subordinate Debt
Q: What distinguishes National Business Capital's subordinate product from traditional mezzanine, and is it used more for permanent capital or high-velocity bridge financing?
We position ourselves as a mezzanine alternative that doesn't require equity or covenants and is non-dilutive; it's best described as a high-velocity bridge rather than a long-term equity substitute, designed to step in quickly to capitalize opportunities.

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A meticulously sourced series that focuses on middle-market finance, PE, and corporate turnarounds, often featuring practitioners who discuss how macro shifts, deal structuring, and financing tools shape outcomes for buyers, sellers, lenders, and portfolios. Episodes frequently explore topics such as private credit dynamics, M&A disputes, integration post-acquisition, and strategic restructuring, with guests ranging from BRG dispute experts to lenders and PE services professionals. The conversations tend to blend practical playbooks, lender perspectives, and real-world case studies, making it useful for deal teams, corporate finance professionals, and professional services firms seeking actionable insight on risk management, value creation,... more

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1. Seth Lieberman
2. Alex Sutton
3. Julian Bulaon
4. Melissa Kelley
5. Brian Rosa
6. Joe Camberato
7. Frank Dery
8. Kevin Hagon

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