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The Systemic Way

Sezer and Julie
Systemic Therapy
Mental Health
Family Therapy
Systemic Psychotherapy
Critical Realism
Therapy
Accent
Psychotherapy
Social Constructionism
Family Dynamics
Cyprus
Race-Based Trauma
Cultural Identity
Encanto
Trauma
Racism
Narrative Therapy
Psychoanalysis
Philosophy Of Practice
Therapeutic Models

This podcast gives the listener an opportunity to hear conversations with people from the field of systemic psychotherapy. Host Sezer and Julie, two systemic and family psychotherapists, discuss a wide range of topics, theories, practices and experiences with their guests, giving the listener an insight into this disciplines contribution to social change.Artwork by Arai Drake Creative: www.... more

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In this episode, we are joined by pioneering systemic psychotherapist, organisational consultant, and author Christine Oliver for a rich conversation exploring systemic approaches to organisational life, leadership, and change.

Drawing from over 30 ... more

In this episode of The Systemic Way, we speak with Rick Murphy and Lisa Dvorjetz about their book A Systemic Approach to Integrative Counselling (2024) and the growing need to bring relational thinking into everyday therapeutic practice.

Together, w... more

Celebrating our 100th episode of The Systemic Way Podcast.

We took The Systemic Way to @EFTA-RELATES 2025 Congress in Lyon and stepped into a space shaped by change, tension, and possibility.

Across four days, we spoke with therapists, researchers,... more

In this episode of The Systemic Way, we sit down with renowned psychotherapist, author, and educator Jan Winhall to explore the transformative power of the Felt Sense Polyvagal Model (FSPM). With over four decades of clinical experience, Jan invites ... more

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Recent Guests

Christine Oliver
Pioneer in systemic psychotherapy and organizational consultancy
Systemic Development Partnership
Episode: Reflexive Inquiry and Meaning-Making in Organisations: In conversation with Christine Oliver
Rick Murphy
Senior lecturer and systemic psychotherapist; co-author
University of Northampton
Episode: From Modalities to Relational Meaning: A Systemic Turn in Integrative Counselling - With Rick Murphy and Lisa Dvorjetz.
Lisa Dvorjetz
Counselling Psychologist; systemic-trained practitioner
East Midlands Cancer Alliance Center for Psychosocial Health
Episode: From Modalities to Relational Meaning: A Systemic Turn in Integrative Counselling - With Rick Murphy and Lisa Dvorjetz.
Umberta Telfener
President of the European Family Therapy Association (EFTA)
European Family Therapy Association (EFTA)
Episode: Inside EFTA-RELATES 2025: Challenging Indifference, Creating Connection, Shaping the Future of the Systemic Field
Jan Winhall
Author, teacher and psychotherapist in Toronto, Canada
Toronto-based psychotherapist; author of Treating Trauma and Addiction with the Felt Sense Polyvagal Model
Episode: Felt Sense Polyvagal Dialogue in Family Therapy: With Jan Winhall
Dr. Judith Edwards
Consultant child and adolescent psychotherapist
Tavistock
Episode: Once Upon A Time In Grandmotherland: Myths, Meanings and Cultural Discourses with Dr Judith Edwards
Dr. Jaako Seikkula
Clinical psychologist and family therapist, known for developing the Open Dialogue approach in psychiatry.
Episode: Why Dialogue Cures: In Conversation with Dr Jaako Seikkula
Micheal Henry
British-born therapist of Jamaican descent, passionate about systemic therapy and community service.
Episode: White Nanny, Black Child: Systems of Care, Silence and Survival - in conversation with Micheal Henry
Jordan Makmihe
Qualified systemic psychotherapist, supervisor, and social worker
NHS
Episode: An Ocean of Meaning in Speech Melody: Accent, identity and Power in Therapy with Jordan Makmihe

Hosts

Sezer
Host of The Systemic Way; co-creating content with co-hosts; long-running presenter with extensive experience in systemic psychotherapy.
Julie
Co-host and collaborator in systemic psychotherapy discussions; engages guests in exploring relational and systemic themes across modalities.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 96 ratings
  • Systemic Lens

    Thank you for bringing the systemic lens to life for me through your exploration of the Wizard of Oz 🙏🏽 Accessible and insightful can be a tricky balance to achieve but you’ve nailed it!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    StylishMomma
    United Kingdom4 years ago
  • Wizard of Oz

    Okay I listened to sample of podcasts and want more story telling and the chat it was interesting take And whilst many modalities will think of this story in many different ways from their own scholarly work I enjoyed what you did

    Maybe having different analytic analysis on stories myths fairy tales

    I did not care for last few after Oz story forgive me but it just my view

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    lovealways#
    United Kingdom4 years ago
  • Essential listening

    A must listen for all psychologists, social workers, mental health professionals and student. Fascinating conversations and thoughtful insights into systemic ways of practicing and thinking.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    DrHolSum1
    United Kingdom5 years ago
  • Must listen

    Absolutely brilliant work from Sezer and Julie. Anyone interested in human relationships and systems should have a listen. Hosts have so many great guests and a variety of topics covered.

    Keep it going please!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    SofiaSam
    United Kingdom5 years ago
  • Really insightful

    I’ve just completed my first year of systemic training and found this podcast fascinating and very helpful. Brilliant guests and chats that really brought to life the approach.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Alexalexalex6756
    United Kingdom5 years ago

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Listeners praise accessible yet rigorous systemic insights and practical tools.
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Why Dialogue Cures: In Conversation with Dr Jaako Seikkula
Q: What are some steps to being able to sit in that state of acceptance and to accept the other unconditionally?
The key skill is to be present and aware of one's own emotions while encouraging an open dialogue without rushing the conversation.
White Nanny, Black Child: Systems of Care, Silence and Survival - in conversation with Micheal Henry
Q: How did you manage the tensions between your ethics as a therapist and the needs of the documentary?
Micheal explained that he focused on maintaining therapeutic standards while navigating the demands of the production team, ultimately balancing the two aspects.
White Nanny, Black Child: Systems of Care, Silence and Survival - in conversation with Micheal Henry
Q: What was your story into systemic psychotherapy?
Micheal shared his journey through integrative psychotherapy and his initial misconceptions about systemic therapy before recognizing its value.
Reading as Reflexive and Mindful Practice: A Conversation with Desa Markovic
Q: What skills are you seeing people develop by applying these ideas?
Students develop self-reflexivity and the ability to evaluate their work and feelings critically.
Reading as Reflexive and Mindful Practice: A Conversation with Desa Markovic
Q: How do you critique? What does critique mean?
Critique is a thoughtfully applied evaluation that must be substantiated and considered.

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What is The Systemic Way about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This program centers on systemic psychotherapy and related interdisciplinary practices, featuring in-depth conversations with clinicians, researchers, and thought leaders. Episodes explore how systemic thinking can bridge multiple modalities, the role of embodiment and culture in therapy, ethical and social justice dimensions, and practical tools for real-world clinical work. Notable strengths include a blend of theory with hands-on strategies, cross-cultural perspectives, and open discussions about activism, education, and trauma-informed care. A distinctive thread across episodes is the emphasis on relationality, community learning, and applying systemic concepts to broader social issues, making it appealing to practitioners, researchers,... more

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1. Christine Oliver
2. Rick Murphy
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4. Umberta Telfener
5. Jan Winhall
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