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The Long and The Short Of It

Peter Shepherd & Jen Waldman
Leadership
Coaching
Personal Growth
Curiosity
Empathy
Personal Development
Imposter Syndrome
Goal Setting
Communication
Creativity
Feedback
Running
Workshops
Decision Making
Career Development
Leadership Development
Auditions
Seth Godin
The Long and the Short Of It
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What do two coaches on opposite sides of the world actually talk about when they think out loud together? For eight years and 400-plus episodes, that has been the whole of The Long and The Short Of It: a weekly conversation for thoughtful leaders, coaches, and creatives who would rather be useful than loud. Pete Shepherd is an Australian leadership coach and the former Head Coach of Seth Godin's a... more

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Energized from her coaching retreat, Jen shares with Pete five learnings from the three-day discourse between herself, the coaches, and their clients.

Specifically, in this episode, the learnings that Jen and Pete talk about are:

• Know what hat y... more

This week, Jen and Pete noodle on the idea that sometimes the simplest answer might really be the answer.

Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

• What is Occam's Razor?

• How might we simplify our problem solving?

• What tacti... more

This week, Pete and Jen noodle on the activity of a subtraction audit...one more thing to add to their plate, that will hopefully free up more space.

Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

• What is a subtraction audit?

• How mig... more

This week, Pete and Jen are celebrating four hundred weeks of podcasting (with no breaks!). To honor the occasion, they answer questions that were sent in by you, the listeners.

Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

• How have Pet... more

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Pete Shepherd
Host of The Long and The Short Of It; Leadership coach; former Head Coach of Seth Godin's altMBA
Jen Waldman
Co-host of The Long and The Short Of It; Founder of Jen Waldman Studio

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 299 ratings
  • Perspetive matters

    Been listening on and off for years and still enjoying how you pick apart various terms and thoughts we face as creatives to illustrate different perspectives. So insightful!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Mellizy
    Germany6 months ago
  • Staple

    The voices of reason. Always a place to come back to steady your thoughts and solve problems. Self improvement is impossible to avoid when you listen. Xx

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Unna MVMT
    Australia2 years ago
  • Listened to EVERY episode.

    This podcast has expanded my world so much. So thankful to these two hosts for sharing their knowledge, ideas, and views. They poke holes in my beliefs and challenge me in the best ways.

    Can’t recommend it highly enough.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ChrisRiceNY
    United States3 years ago
  • Pearls of wisdom

    Not much for self help books this podcast connects a lot of dots on life’s trajectory.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    NickyP70
    Australia3 years ago
  • Love the consistent insights from these two!

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    Adam
    4 years ago

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Listeners appreciate the practical, no-nonsense take on leadership and creativity.
The dynamic between the hosts is a standout—smart, insightful, and relatable.
Episodes are concise and filled with “aha” moments and actionable tips.

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400. Episode 400
Q: What is a favorite episode, lesson or transformation after 400 episodes?
Pete highlights loosening perfectionism and embracing starting before you're ready as a core transformation; Jen echoes growth and momentum as ongoing themes, noting the shift from meticulous control to trust in the process.
400. Episode 400
Q: If you could have a leadership-related dinner with three people in your field, who would you choose?
Pete opts for live-figures from theatre and leadership, Jen for industry luminaries like Seth Godin, Brené Brown, and Adam Grant; both discuss the value of diverse perspectives.
400. Episode 400
Q: Are there episodes you wish you could record with updated context/info?
Yes—there are COVID-era episodes that feel tied to that moment, and they discuss how their takes on social media and other topics have evolved; they note some episodes aged differently but still aim for evergreen relevance.
400. Episode 400
Q: How have you sustained this momentum for so long?
They attribute it to discipline, minimal friction (no guests, no scripts), calendar blocking, and a reliable editing process, plus genuine enjoyment and growth from each conversation.
381. Books
Q: What is your process for selecting books?
Jen does not have a defined process but listens to podcasts that interview authors to find new books that align with her interests.

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Two hosts explore leadership, coaching, creativity, and human dynamics in work and life through short, practical conversations. Each episode centers on a concrete prompt or framework, turning everyday experiences into actionable takeaways without guests or ads. The dynamic between the hosts—a leadership coach and a Broadway-connected creator—offers a distinctive blend of pragmatic systems thinking and creative storytelling, with a focus on mindset, feedback, and human-centered leadership. Notable strengths include tight 15–30 minute formats, playful banter, and repeatable methods you can apply immediately, from momentum-building to prioritization and empathetic leadership.

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