
The Metrics Brothers is hosted by Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike. The Metrics Brothers provides unique insights, strategies, tactics, and metrics that are relevant to AI-Native software and SaaS companies.
Each 25-30 minute episode will cover a topic critical to leading a B2B software company, and chock-full of practical advice that can be introduced and applied in most Native-AI, Agenti... more
| Publishes | Weekly | Episodes | 116 | Founded | 3 years ago |
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| Number of Listeners | Categories | BusinessManagementTechnology | |||

One word can reveal a lot about someone's analytical depth, and on this episode of The Metrics Brothers, Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike break down one of the most commonly misused pair of terms in metrics analysis: segments and cohorts.
Da... more
The Metrics Brothers, Dave Kellogg and Ray Rike open with their introductory bit, which this week included Statler and Waldorf, the grumpy old men in the balcony from the Muppets, before diving into a thorough review of the Norwest B2B Sales and Mark... more
For more than a decade, the Rule of 40 has been the gold standard for measuring SaaS performance:
Growth Rate + Profit Margin ≥ 40
But in today’s environment of higher interest rates, multiple compression, private equity leverage, and AI-driven cos... more
In this episode, Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike go point-counterpoint on two high-profile articles making waves across Wall Street and Silicon Valley: Citrini's provocative February 2025 report, The 2028 Global Intelligence Crisis, and Cita... more
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Really enjoying the insight into the Saas market, very informative podcast to listen to
This podcast is essential listening for SaaS leaders planning to raise money or truly understand the fundamentals of their business.
One of the best SaaS podcasts I have heard over the past couple years
Ray and Dave bring the heat! You can tell they have years of experience doing this. I am loving the nuanced discussions of SaaS metrics, attribution, pipeline metrics, etc. Can’t recommend this podcast enough (but at the same time considering keeping it a secret so my competitors stay in the dark).
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The show centers on B2B software, SaaS metrics, and AI-driven product and go-to-market strategies. Episodes frequently dissect CAC, ARR, NRR, pricing models, and branding versus demand, often with data-led takes and practical playbooks for native-AI and enterprise software teams. Listeners are treated to punchy, experience-backed discussions from two seasoned operators, with timely sponsor spots that reflect real-world SaaS buying and implementation needs. A standout trait is the emphasis on actionable metrics and critical evaluation of industry reports to separate hype from signal.
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