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The Metrics Brothers (fka SaaS Talk)

Ray Rike & Dave Kellogg
Customer Success
Opencloud Report
Metrics
Gainsight
B2B Saas
Ai-Powered Software
Revenue Growth
Net Revenue Retention (NRR)
Rule Of 40
Openview 2023 Saas Benchmark Report
Consumption-Based Pricing
Logo Velocity
Chief Revenue Officer
Rule Of X
Customer Support
Growth Rate
Gross Dollar Retention (GDR)
Customer Acquisition Strategies
Net Dollar Retention
Keybank Capital Markets Annual Saas Survey

The Metrics Brothers (formerly SaaS Talk with the Metrics Brothers) is hosted by Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike. The Metrics Brothers provides unique insights, strategies, tactics and the metrics that are relevant to Native-AI and B2B software and SaaS companies.

Each 20-minute episode will cover a topic critical to leading a B2B software company, and chalked full of practical advice th... more

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Positive Business Outlook or Work-Life Balance - which is more important? The "Grindscore" metric combines the two to determine the attractiveness of a company for employees.

Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike discuss the metric from many dif... more

Bessemer Venture Partners recently released their State of AI 2025 Report, a space exploration manual for the AI software era. With AI now the dominant software force, let's dive into what Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike took away from the r... more

Aventis Advisors recently published a report on AI Valuations which covered the number of investments, size of those investments, median valuations and multiples on AI investments over a 15 year period from 2010 through first half of 2025!

Dave "CAC... more

AI-Native products and AI products integrated into a traditional SaaS platform have different Cost of Goods Sold (COGS) than a SaaS platform, which directly impacts Gross Margin. With over 80% of SaaS companies already integrating AI products into th... more

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Meghan Gill
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Nick Mehta
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Hosts

Dave Kellogg
Co-host and EIR at Balderson Capital, independent consultant, author, and expert in customer acquisition cost metrics.
Ray Rike
Co-host and founder and CEO of Benchmarkit, specializing in growth metrics and B2B marketing strategies.

Reviews

4.5 out of 5 stars from 79 ratings
  • Great show and insight!

    Really enjoying the insight into the Saas market, very informative podcast to listen to

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    TBL1992
    United States2 years ago
  • Best SaaS Podcast!

    This podcast is essential listening for SaaS leaders planning to raise money or truly understand the fundamentals of their business.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Pete Hurtubise
    United States2 years ago
  • Great perspectives on how to use customer acquisition cost metrics

    One of the best SaaS podcasts I have heard over the past couple years

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    maxcfo
    United States2 years ago
  • Fantastic! 6 out of 5 stars!

    Ray and Dave bring the heat! You can tell they have years of experience doing this. I am loving the nuanced discussions of SaaS metrics, attribution, pipeline metrics, etc. Can’t recommend this podcast enough (but at the same time considering keeping it a secret so my competitors stay in the dark).

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    n_evans
    United States2 years ago
  • Wow

    Great

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    stephenkrakofsky
    United States2 years ago

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Key themes from listener reviews, highlighting what works and what could be improved about the show.

Many reviews appreciate the blend of humor and serious discussions, noting it makes the content engaging and relatable.
Feedback suggests that the practical takeaways offered are essential for industry professionals, particularly those in leadership roles.
Listeners highlight the depth of insight into SaaS metrics and AI strategies, praising the hosts' entertaining delivery of complex topics.

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Why Can’t We All Just Get Along? Aligning Finance and GTM with SaaS Metrics
Q: Why is alignment between finance and go-to-market crucial?
Alignment ensures that both teams have a shared understanding of goals and metrics, facilitating cooperation and better financial planning.
The Ideal Customer Profile (ICP) and Related Metrics
Q: Is there a rule of thumb that you use that X percent of our new customers should come from our rank 2 minus ICP?
I'd say more than half, half or more. It all depends on the startup.
Pricing and Billing Trends & Benchmarks
Q: Is there a correlation or causation regarding hybrid pricing and faster growth?
While hybrid pricing showed higher growth percentages, the data cannot definitively state it as causal, only observational.
Pricing and Billing Trends & Benchmarks
Q: How did you find the respondents for the survey and is there any bias?
The respondents were selected from a database of about 10,000, focusing on personas like the CRO and CMO. There is no bias as multiple sources were used for input.
The Bermuda Triangle of Sales Ops - Featuring Meghan Gill, SVP Sales Operations and Sales Development at MongoDB
Q: What advice would you give to someone running ops at a $20 million company on how to grow with their company?
Balance the firefighting and day-to-day operations with longer-term strategy, while also ensuring you have the right team for day-to-day tasks and a focus on foundational data structures.

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Focusing on the unique challenges and nuances faced by B2B software and AI companies, insights shared often revolve around critical metrics, fundraising trends, and growth strategies within the SaaS industry. The discussions frequently highlight the contrast between traditional SaaS metrics and those specifically applicable to AI-driven businesses, making it particularly attractive for listeners involved in B2B technology sectors. Additionally, the hosts, drawing from their extensive industry experience, incorporate humor and anecdotes into their conversations, creating an engaging atmosphere while delivering actionable insights. Episodes range from the evaluation of financial metrics, to the implications of AI advancements on business stra... more

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