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The Metrics Brothers (fka SaaS Talk)

Ray Rike & Dave Kellogg
Customer Success
Opencloud Report
Metrics
Gainsight
B2B Saas
Ai-Powered Software
Revenue Growth
Rule Of 40
Net Revenue Retention (NRR)
Openview 2023 Saas Benchmark Report
Logo Velocity
Consumption-Based Pricing
Chief Revenue Officer
Rule Of X
Customer Support
Growth Rate
Gross Dollar Retention (GDR)
Net Dollar Retention
Customer Acquisition Strategies
Keybank Capital Markets Annual Saas Survey

The Metrics Brothers (formerly SaaS Talk with the Metrics Brothers) is hosted by Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike. The Metrics Brothers provides unique insights, strategies, tactics and the metrics that are relevant to Native-AI and B2B software and SaaS companies.

Each 20-minute episode will cover a topic critical to leading a B2B software company, and chalked full of practical advice th... more

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In this episode of The Metrics Brothers, hosts Ray “Growth” Rike and Dave “CAC” Kellogg provide a critical deep dive into the 2025 SaaS Benchmark Report published by High Alpha. Known for their analytical, and sometimes "crusty" approach, the metrics... more

In this episode of The Metrics Brothers, Ray “Growth” Rike and Dave “CAC” Kellogg take on one of the biggest challenges facing modern SaaS and AI-Native companies: how to measure NRR and expansion when pricing isn’t fixed anymore.

With the rise of u... more

In this episode, "The Metrics Brothers," Growth (Ray Rike) and CAC (Dave Kellogg), dive into a critical challenge for modern SaaS and AI-Native companies: accurately calculating Net Revenue Retention (NRR) in environments that utilize variable pricin... more

For their 100th episode, Ray "Growth" Rike and Dave "CAC" Kellogg get philosophical, inspired by the notion that many hold, which is "nothing works" in B2B GTM anymore - especially in regards to pipeline development.

They dive into the 2025 State of... more

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Episode: Top Metrics and Benchmarks for Customer Success - with special guest Nick Mehta, CEO Gainsight

Hosts

Ray Rike
Co-host and Founder/CEO of Benchmarket, providing growth insights and tactics particularly relevant to Native-AI and B2B software sectors.
Dave Kellogg
Co-host and expert in Customer Acquisition Cost metrics, engaging in thought leadership and strategies for effective SaaS marketing and sales.

Reviews

4.5 out of 5 stars from 79 ratings
  • Great show and insight!

    Really enjoying the insight into the Saas market, very informative podcast to listen to

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    TBL1992
    United States2 years ago
  • Best SaaS Podcast!

    This podcast is essential listening for SaaS leaders planning to raise money or truly understand the fundamentals of their business.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Pete Hurtubise
    United States2 years ago
  • Great perspectives on how to use customer acquisition cost metrics

    One of the best SaaS podcasts I have heard over the past couple years

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    maxcfo
    United States2 years ago
  • Fantastic! 6 out of 5 stars!

    Ray and Dave bring the heat! You can tell they have years of experience doing this. I am loving the nuanced discussions of SaaS metrics, attribution, pipeline metrics, etc. Can’t recommend this podcast enough (but at the same time considering keeping it a secret so my competitors stay in the dark).

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    n_evans
    United States2 years ago
  • Wow

    Great

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    stephenkrakofsky
    United States2 years ago

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Listeners praise the insightful discussions and practical advice tailored for SaaS leaders.
Many find the blend of humor and serious content refreshing and informative.
There is a consensus on the value of metrics and strategies addressed, especially as they relate to AI and customer acquisition.

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What is ROI and Why Does it Matter in AI Software Investments?
Q: What is the difference between soft benefits and hard benefits?
Soft benefits are not always translated into actual financial returns, while hard benefits provide a clear financial return on investment.
What is ROI and Why Does it Matter in AI Software Investments?
Q: Could you please walk us through basically the basics? What is ROI?
Return on investment is the way to measure the financial benefits of investing in almost anything, but for this episode, in an AI tool or an AI agent.
Why Can’t We All Just Get Along? Aligning Finance and GTM with SaaS Metrics
Q: Why is alignment between finance and go-to-market crucial?
Alignment ensures that both teams have a shared understanding of goals and metrics, facilitating cooperation and better financial planning.
The Ideal Customer Profile (ICP) and Related Metrics
Q: Is there a rule of thumb that you use that X percent of our new customers should come from our rank 2 minus ICP?
I'd say more than half, half or more. It all depends on the startup.
Pricing and Billing Trends & Benchmarks
Q: Is there a correlation or causation regarding hybrid pricing and faster growth?
While hybrid pricing showed higher growth percentages, the data cannot definitively state it as causal, only observational.

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Offering insights tailored for professionals in the B2B software and SaaS sectors, the show emphasizes practical strategies for navigating the complexities of Native-AI technologies. Episodes frequently explore critical metrics and methodologies such as Net Revenue Retention, Customer Acquisition Cost, and the various implications of new AI tools on traditional business practices. Unique to this show is the combination of humor and nuanced discussions between the hosts, allowing for engaging yet informative content that appeals to diverse listeners from start-ups to established enterprises. Each episode is designed to provide actionable takeaways that can be seamlessly integrated into a company's operations.

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