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Managing Managers

Patrick Kua
Engineering Management
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Managing Managers
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Leaddev Conferences
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Apple
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Stepping up from an IC to managing other ICs is no easy feat. But brace yourself because the real surprise comes when you level up again—to managing managers! Curious to know how top tech leaders made this leap? Join our host, the experienced Pat Kua, as he delves into the strategies and stories of leaders in tech who’ve mastered the art of managing managers. 🎙️💡

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The final episode of the podcast (or at least the first season)

Laura is not only a coach to engineering leaders but also the CTO at DX, a company focused on improving developer productivity. But Laura has been talking about development metrics for a lot longer, and in this episode, we dive deep into the latest r... more

Meri has a tonne of experience managing managers as a serial CTO, and we chat about everything from being a non-executive director, common traps of first-time directors/VPs of Engineering, what they look for when interviewing managers of managers, an... more

The Financial Times (FT) uniquely combines individual contributor and management responsibilities in senior engineering roles. In this episode, I talk to Tech Director Alice Bartlett about what that’s like for her, how tech skills (at that level) are... more

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Laura Tacho
CTO at DX, executive coach for engineering leaders, expert in building engineering organizations
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Episode: Episode 30: Measuring productivity with Laura Tacho
Meri Williams
Experienced CTO and leader of technology organizations
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Episode: Episode 29: What CTOs look for in manager of managers with Meri Williams
Alice Bartlett
Tech director at the Financial Times overseeing the development of ft.com and related applications.
Financial Times
Episode: Episode 28: Leadership skills and energy management with Alice Bartlett
Lena Reinhard
Leadership coach, management trainer, and organizational developer committed to supporting leaders and their teams during change.
Founded a SaaS startup; former VP Engineering at CircleCI and Travis CI
Episode: Episode 27: The challenges of being a middle manager and more with Lena Reinhard
Crystal Hirschorn
VP of Engineering at Zoa, advocate for resilience engineering and DevOps practices.
Zoa
Episode: Episode 26: Building a blameless culture, systems thinking and more with Crystal Hirschorn
Sarah Abrantes
VP of Engineering at Adyen with extensive experience in tech roles including management at multiple organizations.
Adyen
Episode: Episode 25: Being a leader first, then a manager with Sarah Abrantes
Jess Mink
Director of Platform Engineering at Honeycomb, passionate about building strong technical organizations.
Honeycomb
Episode: Episode 24: Designing Team APIs as a manager of managers and more with Jess Mink
Maggie Litton
Director of Engineering at HashiCorp, specializing in optimizing remote organizations and reducing complexity
HashiCorp
Episode: Episode 23: The many flavours of managing managers with Maggie Litton
David Yee
VP of Engineering at The New York Times, experienced in building and scaling teams with an emphasis on humane management.
The New York Times
Episode: Episode 22: Ethical engineering management with David Yee

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Patrick Kua
Host of Managing Managers, focusing on bridging the gap between individual contributors and managers in tech roles.

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Episode 8: Introspection, spotting strengths and building great teams, not just good teams with Tramale Turner
Q: What are some signs that you think people are ready to move from managing a team directly to managing other managers?
Look for how they start discussing the business and their ability to influence others across departments while demonstrating an understanding of broader organizational needs.
Episode 8: Introspection, spotting strengths and building great teams, not just good teams with Tramale Turner
Q: What makes a great engineering manager for you and how do you hire for that?
I look for people who understand that managing deals with things, while leadership is about leading people. It's crucial to test for both technical depth and the ability to engage with the organization's broader context.
Episode 9: Serendipity, looking for future talent, and how to do no harm with Theresa Neate
Q: What would you describe as some significant shifts for people who are moving from managing ICs to now managing managers?
The significant shift involves stepping back from the details and trusting your team to handle responsibilities without micromanagement.
Episode 9: Serendipity, looking for future talent, and how to do no harm with Theresa Neate
Q: What are other examples of investments that you make in new leaders?
I invest time in getting to know individuals, adapting my approach based on their personal circumstances, and creating tailored development plans
Episode 9: Serendipity, looking for future talent, and how to do no harm with Theresa Neate
Q: What are some of the things that you look for that give you an indication that somebody might be ready for a leadership or management role?
I look for a growth mindset, their ability to take challenges and turn them into opportunities, and their willingness to coach others.

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The content revolves around the unique challenges and dynamics faced by those transitioning from managing individual contributors to leading other managers, primarily within the tech industry. Key themes include effective leadership, emotional intelligence, dependency on clear communication, and fostering a positive team culture. Episodes feature insights from various tech leaders who share their personal journeys, discuss strategies for overcoming common management pitfalls, and explore topics like team dynamics, productivity metrics, and the importance of mentoring and coaching in developing management skills. This podcast likely appeals to current and aspiring tech managers seeking practical advice and peer insights to enhance their lead... more

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