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It's not all about the numbers!

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In this age of rapid technological advancement, data-driven practices have taken centre stage in the realm of finance and across business. It's not just about number-crunching anymore.

It's about leveraging the potential of data for informed decision-making, employing cutting-edge technologies to revolutionise conventional processes, and maintaining flexibility to adapt to the ever-changing busine... more

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What if your biggest competitor could actually make you a better leader?

In this episode of It's Not All About the Numbers, Chris Argent and Mike Rose are joined by Koula Achillea, Finance Director at Marella Cruises (TUI), to explore the leadership... more

Executive coaching has become a multi-billion-pound industry. But is it solving leadership challenges, or simply filling the gap left by poor management?

In this episode of So What...?, Chris Argent, Mike Rose and Joel Johansen unpack the difference... more

What does real leadership look like?

In this episode of It's Not All About the Numbers, Chris Argent and Mike Rose are joined by LaToya Lacey, VP Enterprise Risk Management & Insurance at The Estée Lauder Companies.

From growing up as the youngest ... more

When should you bring in an external expert, and when are you just paying for a logo?

In this episode of So What...?, Chris Argent, Mike Rose and Joel Johansen debate the role of consultants, contractors and independent advisors in modern business. T... more

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LaToya Lacey
VP Enterprise Risk Management & Insurance
Estée Lauder Companies
Episode: Leading Through Risk with LaToya Lacey
Navin Rauniar
Board advisor and sustainability expert
Independent sustainability advisor; former corporate and banking sustainability leader
Episode: Why ESG Isn't Dead with Navin Rauniar
Kira Cluer
Senior Events Manager at GENCFO
GENCFO
Episode: Behind the GENCFO Awards with Kira Cluer
Wassia Kamon
Host of the Diary of the CFO podcast; CFO of ACE
ACE; Diary of the CFO podcast
Episode: The CFO Sisterhood: Leadership Lessons with Wassia Kamon
Lesley Thomas
Founder of the Money Confidence Academy
Money Confidence Academy
Episode: Leadership Under Pressure with Lesley Thomas
Cris Beswick
Strategic advisor and keynote speaker on leadership and culture for innovation-led growth
Self-employed / Independent
Episode: Innovation Isn’t a Buzzword: Cris Beswick on Culture, Courage and Crashing Out
Nathan Foulger
Executive producer and creative producer
Independent/Brummie background serving as executive producer for advertising and imaging
Episode: Brum to Broadway: Nathan Foulger on AI, Creativity & Why Nice Still Wins
Doug Wilson
OBE, founder of Verdant Edge and honorary professor at Nottingham Trent University
Verdant Edge; Nottingham Trent University
Episode: The Danger of Measuring Everything with Doug Wilson
Katharina Herzog
SVP Group Finance and Tax, Hugo Boss AG
Hugo Boss AG
Episode: Pre-Shortlist Throwback with 2025 GENCFO Awards Winner Katharina Herzog

Hosts

Chris Argent
Host of the show; Gen CFO; focuses on leadership and data-driven business strategies.
Mike Rose
Co-host; Transformation translator; advocate for data standards and practical data-driven leadership.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 20 ratings
  • Relaxed and authentic

    Grmes hosts, sharing insights interesting guests that aren't the norm. Doing things differently which I love ❤️

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    mmpixi
    United Kingdom9 months ago
  • A Fresh of Breath Air

    An excellent podcast with Chris Argent and Mike Rose, which really proves that there is more to it than numbers. It's refreshing to hear the human side of things, which is often overlooked.

    A particular highlight is Dominique's episode. It's refreshing to hear someone say that if you are not valued, you should leave and find a place that does.

    These podcasts are brilliant. I have now subscribed and look forward to the rest of the episodes.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    crawley1345
    United Kingdom3 years ago

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Thoughtful, practical leadership insights paired with data-focused discussions.
Great balance of CFO expertise and modern tech perspectives.
People love the human-centric take on data, not just the numbers.

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So What...? Are Industry Awards Worth It?
Q: What is the value of participating in awards from a leadership perspective?
The hosts argue that awards can drive motivation, visibility, and team cohesion, and that the process itself often leads to improvements in leadership and delivery, not just external validation.
So What...? Are Industry Awards Worth It?
Q: Joel, why did you choose this topic?
Joel explains that industry awards are highly visible this time of year and offer a community-driven, non-corporate space that can celebrate real achievements, while acknowledging concerns about cost of living and relevance.
Behind the GENCFO Awards with Kira Cluer
Q: What do you personally take from being involved with GENCFO and running the Awards?
A sense of accomplishment and fulfillment from seeing members come together in real life, with a belief that the event has grown into something that fosters community, collaboration, and genuine engagement beyond a typical conference.
Behind the GENCFO Awards with Kira Cluer
Q: What emotion have you heard back from the community about the awards?
People felt a strong sense of pride and connection, viewing the event as breaking boundaries and delivering an authentic, emotionally resonant experience that contrasts with more formal industry gatherings.
Why ESG Isn't Dead with Navin Rauniar
Q: How do you justify green initiatives to a CFO focused on the business model?
Frame sustainability as profitable sustainability, tying environmental actions to the core business model, cash flows, and long-term resilience rather than treating them as a separate compliance exercise.

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