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It's not all about the numbers!

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In this age of rapid technological advancement, data-driven practices have taken centre stage in the realm of finance and across business. It's not just about number-crunching anymore.

It's about leveraging the potential of data for informed decision-making, employing cutting-edge technologies to revolutionise conventional processes, and maintaining flexibility to adapt to the ever-changing busine... more

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Latest Episodes

Everyone seems to have a podcast these days.

But why?

In this episode of So What...?, Chris Argent, Mike Rose and Joel Johansen turn the microphones on themselves to explore why podcasting has exploded, what keeps them coming back after almost 150 ... more

From sorting mail and changing light bulbs to becoming Global CFO of Interbrand, Ben Castle's career definitely didn't follow the traditional finance playbook.

In this episode of It's Not All About the Numbers, Chris Argent and Mike Rose talk to Ben... more

Every organisation reaches the same crossroads. A major transformation is on the horizon, deadlines are slipping, and someone inevitably says: "Let's bring in the consultants."

But are consultancies really solving business problems, or have they bec... more

What if your biggest competitor could actually make you a better leader?

In this episode of It's Not All About the Numbers, Chris Argent and Mike Rose are joined by Koula Achillea, Finance Director at Marella Cruises (TUI), to explore the leadership... more

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Recent Guests

Koula Achillea
FD Achillea, Finance Director for Marella Cruises (TUI)
Marella Cruises / TUI
Episode: Leadership Isn't Always Plain Sailing... with Koula Achillea
LaToya Lacey
VP Enterprise Risk Management & Insurance
Estée Lauder Companies
Episode: Leading Through Risk with LaToya Lacey
Navin Rauniar
Board advisor and sustainability expert
Independent sustainability advisor; former corporate and banking sustainability leader
Episode: Why ESG Isn't Dead with Navin Rauniar
Kira Cluer
Senior Events Manager at GENCFO
GENCFO
Episode: Behind the GENCFO Awards with Kira Cluer
Wassia Kamon
Host of the Diary of the CFO podcast; CFO of ACE
ACE; Diary of the CFO podcast
Episode: The CFO Sisterhood: Leadership Lessons with Wassia Kamon
Lesley Thomas
Founder of the Money Confidence Academy
Money Confidence Academy
Episode: Leadership Under Pressure with Lesley Thomas
Cris Beswick
Strategic advisor and keynote speaker on leadership and culture for innovation-led growth
Self-employed / Independent
Episode: Innovation Isn’t a Buzzword: Cris Beswick on Culture, Courage and Crashing Out
Nathan Foulger
Executive producer and creative producer
Independent/Brummie background serving as executive producer for advertising and imaging
Episode: Brum to Broadway: Nathan Foulger on AI, Creativity & Why Nice Still Wins
Doug Wilson
OBE, founder of Verdant Edge and honorary professor at Nottingham Trent University
Verdant Edge; Nottingham Trent University
Episode: The Danger of Measuring Everything with Doug Wilson

Hosts

Chris Argent
Host of the show; reformed CFO; frequent moderator and guide for discussions on leadership, data-driven decision making, and transformation within finance.
Mike Rose
Co-host and transformation translator; focuses on translating business transformation into practical finance-led outcomes; drives conversations around data, technology, and people-centric leadership.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 20 ratings
  • Relaxed and authentic

    Grmes hosts, sharing insights interesting guests that aren't the norm. Doing things differently which I love ❤️

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    mmpixi
    United Kingdom10 months ago
  • A Fresh of Breath Air

    An excellent podcast with Chris Argent and Mike Rose, which really proves that there is more to it than numbers. It's refreshing to hear the human side of things, which is often overlooked.

    A particular highlight is Dominique's episode. It's refreshing to hear someone say that if you are not valued, you should leave and find a place that does.

    These podcasts are brilliant. I have now subscribed and look forward to the rest of the episodes.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    crawley1345
    United Kingdom3 years ago

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The show is seen as a refreshing, non-jargony take on governance, risk, and transformation.
Listeners appreciate the authentic, human-centric approach to leadership topics.
Guests are consistently high-caliber, offering fresh perspectives beyond traditional finance talks.
The hosts balance numbers with real-world storytelling and practical insights.

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So What...? Are Industry Awards Worth It?
Q: What is the value of participating in awards from a leadership perspective?
The hosts argue that awards can drive motivation, visibility, and team cohesion, and that the process itself often leads to improvements in leadership and delivery, not just external validation.
So What...? Are Industry Awards Worth It?
Q: Joel, why did you choose this topic?
Joel explains that industry awards are highly visible this time of year and offer a community-driven, non-corporate space that can celebrate real achievements, while acknowledging concerns about cost of living and relevance.
Behind the GENCFO Awards with Kira Cluer
Q: What do you personally take from being involved with GENCFO and running the Awards?
A sense of accomplishment and fulfillment from seeing members come together in real life, with a belief that the event has grown into something that fosters community, collaboration, and genuine engagement beyond a typical conference.
Behind the GENCFO Awards with Kira Cluer
Q: What emotion have you heard back from the community about the awards?
People felt a strong sense of pride and connection, viewing the event as breaking boundaries and delivering an authentic, emotionally resonant experience that contrasts with more formal industry gatherings.
Why ESG Isn't Dead with Navin Rauniar
Q: How do you justify green initiatives to a CFO focused on the business model?
Frame sustainability as profitable sustainability, tying environmental actions to the core business model, cash flows, and long-term resilience rather than treating them as a separate compliance exercise.

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A data- and leadership-focused business podcast that centers on finance, risk, and technology-driven decision making. Across episodes, hosts challenge conventional wisdom on external advisors, highlight leadership during crisis, and explore how data, AI, and culture shape modern finance and governance. Noteworthy elements include a practical stance on advisory relationships, a strong emphasis on human-centered leadership, and event- and community-building topics that connect finance professionals. The format blends personal storytelling with actionable insights, making it useful for listeners who want to improve strategic decision-making, risk management, or transformation initiatives in sizable organizations. The show often features CFOs, ... more

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