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In this age of rapid technological advancement, data-driven practices have taken centre stage in the realm of finance and across business. It's not just about number-crunching anymore.

It's about leveraging the potential of data for informed decision-making, employing cutting-edge technologies to revolutionise conventional processes, and maintaining flexibility to adapt to the ever-changing busine... more

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Roman emperors. Corporate CEOs. Different centuries. Same mistakes?

History has a funny habit of repeating itself. And apparently, so does bad leadership.

In this episode of So What..., Chris Argent, Mike Rose and Joel ask why we keep making the sa... more

Another training course. Another PowerPoint. Another day you'll never get back?

We've all been there. A full day of corporate training, a few interesting slides, maybe a free lunch... and by Monday, you've forgotten almost everything.

So what's the... more

What if being yourself was the biggest risk you took in the boardroom?

For CFO Rachel Shorter, it took 20 years into her career to feel comfortable wearing her natural braids in the boardroom.

In this episode of It's Not All About the Numbers, Rach... more

We're told great leaders should be authentic, vulnerable and transparent.

But how transparent is too transparent?

In this episode of So What...?, Chris Argent, Mike Rose and Joel Johansen explore whether more openness really does create better lead... more

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Recent Guests

Rachel Shorter
CFO and founder of the Antilles Network, a wellness community for Black women
Antilles Network
Episode: Braids in the Boardroom... with Rachel Shorter
Tony Morreale
Award-winning finance leader, growth and FD/consultancy professional
Gen Z FO community, former PetLab Co executive
Episode: Scaling Without Selling Your Soul... with Tony Morreale
Michael Mills
Global Director of Finance and Shared Services at Aramex
Aramex
Episode: I Feel the Need... The Need to Lead... with Michael Mills
Veronika Von Heise-Rotenburg
CFO and MD at Everphone
Everphone
Episode: Leading Isn't Managing... with Veronika Von Heise-Rotenburg
Ben Castle
Global CFO, Interbrand
Interbrand
Episode: From the Mailroom to Global CFO... with Ben Castle
Koula Achillea
FD Achillea, Finance Director for Marella Cruises (TUI)
Marella Cruises / TUI
Episode: Leadership Isn't Always Plain Sailing... with Koula Achillea
LaToya Lacey
VP Enterprise Risk Management & Insurance
Estée Lauder Companies
Episode: Leading Through Risk with LaToya Lacey
Navin Rauniar
Board advisor and sustainability expert
Independent sustainability advisor; former corporate and banking sustainability leader
Episode: Why ESG Isn't Dead with Navin Rauniar
Kira Cluer
Senior Events Manager at GENCFO
GENCFO
Episode: Behind the GENCFO Awards with Kira Cluer

Hosts

Chris Argent
Host of the show; reformed CFO; frequent moderator and guide for discussions on leadership, data-driven decision making, and transformation within finance.
Mike Rose
Co-host and transformation translator; focuses on translating business transformation into practical finance-led outcomes; drives conversations around data, technology, and people-centric leadership.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 20 ratings
  • Relaxed and authentic

    Grmes hosts, sharing insights interesting guests that aren't the norm. Doing things differently which I love ❤️

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    mmpixi
    United Kingdoma year ago
  • A Fresh of Breath Air

    An excellent podcast with Chris Argent and Mike Rose, which really proves that there is more to it than numbers. It's refreshing to hear the human side of things, which is often overlooked.

    A particular highlight is Dominique's episode. It's refreshing to hear someone say that if you are not valued, you should leave and find a place that does.

    These podcasts are brilliant. I have now subscribed and look forward to the rest of the episodes.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    crawley1345
    United Kingdom3 years ago

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The show is seen as a refreshing, non-jargony take on governance, risk, and transformation.
Listeners appreciate the authentic, human-centric approach to leadership topics.
Guests are consistently high-caliber, offering fresh perspectives beyond traditional finance talks.
The hosts balance numbers with real-world storytelling and practical insights.

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Braids in the Boardroom... with Rachel Shorter
Q: What does that mean? And especially, what's the network? How does the network support the creation of safe spaces?
Shorter founded the Antilles Network after struggling to find professional networks that addressed well-being as well as career advancement. It grew from seven friends meeting monthly into a wellness community where Black women share experiences, learn from experts and support one another.
Braids in the Boardroom... with Rachel Shorter
Q: So where did that post come from? What were you thinking when you were writing that?
Shorter said she had not worn her braids in a boardroom before, and that after two decades in her career she finally felt comfortable showing her natural hair. She described how women of color may adjust their appearance to fit expectations of commercial acceptability.
From the Mailroom to Global CFO... with Ben Castle
Q: What one thing would you wish someone had told you before taking a leadership role?
Patience and empathy are essential; leadership includes showing a bit of vulnerability and humanity, rather than always being the hard, numbers-only executive. Humour and empathy can coexist with confidence and experience, helping teams navigate change and imposter syndrome.
So What...? Are Industry Awards Worth It?
Q: What is the value of participating in awards from a leadership perspective?
The hosts argue that awards can drive motivation, visibility, and team cohesion, and that the process itself often leads to improvements in leadership and delivery, not just external validation.
So What...? Are Industry Awards Worth It?
Q: Joel, why did you choose this topic?
Joel explains that industry awards are highly visible this time of year and offer a community-driven, non-corporate space that can celebrate real achievements, while acknowledging concerns about cost of living and relevance.

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A data- and leadership-focused business podcast that centers on finance, risk, and technology-driven decision making. Across episodes, hosts challenge conventional wisdom on external advisors, highlight leadership during crisis, and explore how data, AI, and culture shape modern finance and governance. Noteworthy elements include a practical stance on advisory relationships, a strong emphasis on human-centered leadership, and event- and community-building topics that connect finance professionals. The format blends personal storytelling with actionable insights, making it useful for listeners who want to improve strategic decision-making, risk management, or transformation initiatives in sizable organizations. The show often features CFOs, ... more

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