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In this age of rapid technological advancement, data-driven practices have taken centre stage in the realm of finance and across business. It's not just about number-crunching anymore.

It's about leveraging the potential of data for informed decision-making, employing cutting-edge technologies to revolutionise conventional processes, and maintaining flexibility to adapt to the ever-changing busine... more

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In this episode, Chris Argent and Mike Rose are joined by Galina Barengo, Co-Founder of Legendary, to cut through the AI hype. From vibe coding an... more

Everyone is talking about AI, but are organisations focusing on the wrong problem? In this episode of So What?, Chris Argent and Mike Rose explore why adaptability may be a far more important capability than technology itself. From broken processes a... more

Wassia Kamon joins Chris and Mike to discuss career growth, mentorship, leadership and the power of helping others succeed. From moving from Ivory Coast to Atlanta, to becoming a CFO at 37, Wassia shares how relationships, authenticity and paying it ... more

Why do smart people still avoid difficult decisions? Chris and Mike sit down with Lesley Thomas to unpack the emotional side of leadership, money and workplace pressure. Together they explore uncertainty, AI, confidence, culture and why businesses ca... more

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Wassia Kamon
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Lesley Thomas
Founder of the Money Confidence Academy
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Episode: Leadership Under Pressure with Lesley Thomas
Cris Beswick
Strategic advisor and keynote speaker on leadership and culture for innovation-led growth
Self-employed / Independent
Episode: Innovation Isn’t a Buzzword: Cris Beswick on Culture, Courage and Crashing Out
Nathan Foulger
Executive producer and creative producer
Independent/Brummie background serving as executive producer for advertising and imaging
Episode: Brum to Broadway: Nathan Foulger on AI, Creativity & Why Nice Still Wins
Doug Wilson
OBE, founder of Verdant Edge and honorary professor at Nottingham Trent University
Verdant Edge; Nottingham Trent University
Episode: The Danger of Measuring Everything with Doug Wilson
Katharina Herzog
SVP Group Finance and Tax, Hugo Boss AG
Hugo Boss AG
Episode: Pre-Shortlist Throwback with 2025 GENCFO Awards Winner Katharina Herzog
Mike Rose
Transformation translator and data standards advocate
Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government (MHCLG) / contractor
Episode: Special Episode: Planning Problems & Possibilities
Colm Britain
Data standards and planning data expert
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Episode: Special Episode: Planning Problems & Possibilities
James Robson
data sharing specialist
Episode: Sharing Is Caring… Until Legal Gets Involved: James Robson on Data, Trust & AI

Hosts

Chris Argent
Host of the show; Gen CFO; focuses on leadership and data-driven business strategies.
Mike Rose
Co-host; Transformation translator; advocate for data standards and practical data-driven leadership.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 20 ratings
  • Relaxed and authentic

    Grmes hosts, sharing insights interesting guests that aren't the norm. Doing things differently which I love ❤️

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    mmpixi
    United Kingdom7 months ago
  • A Fresh of Breath Air

    An excellent podcast with Chris Argent and Mike Rose, which really proves that there is more to it than numbers. It's refreshing to hear the human side of things, which is often overlooked.

    A particular highlight is Dominique's episode. It's refreshing to hear someone say that if you are not valued, you should leave and find a place that does.

    These podcasts are brilliant. I have now subscribed and look forward to the rest of the episodes.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    crawley1345
    United Kingdom3 years ago

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Thoughtful, practical leadership insights paired with data-focused discussions.
Great balance of CFO expertise and modern tech perspectives.
People love the human-centric take on data, not just the numbers.

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This Is Why We Can’t Have Nice Data: Gavin Freeguard on Fraud & AI
Q: Do you see AI as a hype cycle or a genuinely useful tool for public sector reform?
He argues that AI and associated technologies have real potential but warns against over-hyping them, emphasizing the need to ask what you are trying to achieve, consider downsides, and design deployments carefully to avoid wasted investment.
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Q: How can financial data be communicated effectively to non-financial stakeholders?
Understand who the audience is and tailor the message to their language and priorities, starting with the most important takeaway and then providing the necessary context or details in a layered, digestible way.
Purpose, Profit & the Change Champion: Sarah Whale on Making Sustainability Practical
Q: What role does leadership play in enabling this transition?
Leadership must provide clear purpose, allocate resources, and appoint a change champion or external support to keep momentum, while ensuring the organization's culture is prepared to adopt new ways of working.
Purpose, Profit & the Change Champion: Sarah Whale on Making Sustainability Practical
Q: How do you convince incumbents to integrate sustainability into their core strategy without overwhelming them?
By focusing on why change is needed, ensuring top-level buy-in, assigning dedicated resources, and delivering bite-sized, tangible steps rather than vague visions, which helps organizations see incremental progress and stay committed.

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This show centers on turning data into decision-making power, exploring how finance, technology, and data practices reshape leadership and business operations. Episodes frequently cover data governance, AI and analytics in finance, organizational transformation, and the human side of data-driven work. Noteworthy traits include a practical, leadership-forward lens, frequent sponsor integrations related to finance leadership communities, and candid conversations with CFOs, data experts, and transformation practitioners. Listeners likely seek actionable insights for building data-centric finance teams, embedding data literacy, and navigating modernization without losing the human touch.

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