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“Hard Fork” is a show about the future that’s already here. Each week, journalists Kevin Roose and Casey Newton explore and make sense of the latest in the rapidly changing world of tech. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcas... more

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This week, Meta agreed to pay up to $17.1 billion and make major changes to Facebook and Instagram over claims it endangered children with addictive social media platforms. We discuss why it capitulated and what it means for the entire social media i... more

This week, we learned that OpenAI had stopped training new artificial intelligence models while the company reviewed its security measures. Will this encourage other labs to hit the brakes too?

Then, the historian Jill Lepore joins to discuss her ne... more

This week we’re talking about Mark Zuckerberg’s latest essay, “The Future Is for Everyone,” which outlines his positive new vision about the potential of A.I. But do we think it’s credible? Then, Pangram’s chief executive, Max Spero, joins us to talk... more

This week, the White House announced a new framework for regulating A.I. models, but it isn’t letting the public read it. We break down what we know about the rules and what the implications are for the industry and A.I. safety as a whole.

Then, yet... more

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Recent Guests

Jill Lepore
Historian, author of The Rise and Fall of the Artificial State
Harvard University; The New Yorker
Episode: OpenAI’s Two-Week Pause + Jill Lepore on the Threat of the “Artificial State” + Train of Thought
Max Spero
Co-founder and CEO of Pangram Labs
Pangram Labs
Episode: Zuckerberg’s Anti-Doom Fantasy + Finally an A.I. Detector That Works + A.I. Math
Chris Painter
President of METR, AI research and testing nonprofit
METR
Episode: The White House’s Secret A.I. Rules + The State of Model Alignment With METR’s Chris Painter + The Final Hot Mess Express
Claire Stapleton
Former Google employee, author of Don't Be Evil
Google (former)
Episode: Open Model Wars + Claire Stapleton's Dishy Google Memoir + Substack's Slop Fight
Veniamin Veselovsky
Founder and CEO of Preseen
Preseen
Episode: OpenAI Models Go Rogue + Kimi K3 Freakout + A.I. Superforecasting
Erik Brynjolfsson
Stanford economist; organizer of the 'We Must Act Now' letter
Stanford Institute for Human-Centered AI; Stanford Digital Economy Lab
Episode: The A.I. Trade Secrets War + Economists Say ‘We Must Act Now’ + HatGPT
Jeff Sebo
Associate Professor of Environmental Studies at NYU; Director of the Center for Mind, Ethics, and Policy
New York University
Episode: Do Social Media Bans Work? + A Conversation About A.I. Consciousness + Tool Time
Dana Suskind
Pediatric surgeon, childhood development expert, professor at University of Chicago, founder and co-director of the TMW Center for Early Learning and Public Health
University of Chicago; TMW Center
Episode: Fable Ban Reversed + Dr. Dana Suskind on Parenting With A.I. + Prediction Market Drama
Eli Saslow
Journalist known for immersive profiles; wrote on loneliness and AI in elder care
The New York Times
Episode: ‘The Daily’ and ‘The Opinions’: How A.I. Is Changing Loneliness and Taste

Hosts

Kevin Roose
Host of the show; tech columnist at The New York Times; NYT technology journalist
Casey Newton
Co-host; journalist covering technology and platform policy; NYT/Platformer context

Reviews

4.5 out of 5 stars from 12k ratings
  • Recommend this!

    I recommend this podcast. I love listening to these guys. They are funny, informative, and I feel wiser about technology and AI. It feels like a conversation I would have with friends. Thank you for such good quality. I have recommended it to my friends.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Katie_AndromedaM31
    United Statesa month ago
  • Yes,

    It’s good.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    mbller
    United Statesa month ago
  • And it shall be named…

    At the dawn of the singularity, the “Ringer-Verse” and “Wait Wait… Don’t Tell Me!” had a love child and named it “Hard Fork”.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Tennessee_Dave
    United Statesa month ago
  • Not sure if I’ll keep listening

    I’ve been a listener since day one, but lately the coverage feels increasingly filtered through an American geopolitical lens that I find limiting. The hosts’ framing of China and the open models to an adversarial ‘us vs. them’ narrative without acknowledgment of that perspective, and it reads less like analysis and more like talking points. I understand they’re American and that context is inevitable, but good journalism owns its point of view rather than presenting it as neutral fact. I’m reco... more

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    JPep8100
    Canadaa month ago
  • NYT’s Tech Educators

    Joyful journalism! You guys wrap the tech world news in smart, accessible terms worthy of the NYT! Well done, sirs!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    RNfromMaryland
    United Statesa month ago

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Thoughtful, balanced tech analysis with accessible storytelling.
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Zuckerberg’s Anti-Doom Fantasy + Finally an A.I. Detector That Works + A.I. Math
Q: Max, what is the text that you are proudest of Pangram catching, flagging as AI generated, and the text that fooled you the longest?
Pangram can detect AI-generated text by exploiting the way models sample tokens; it looks for subtle, aggregate signals across a document and has seen improvements in accuracy across model families, though no detector is perfect. The proudest moment is when Pangram flagged an AI-generated portion that fooled many detectors, demonstrating practical utility in real-world content trust scenarios.
The White House’s Secret A.I. Rules + The State of Model Alignment With METR’s Chris Painter + The Final Hot Mess Express
Q: Who are the trusted partners allowed access to frontier models during testing?
They note uncertainty about who counts as trusted partners and suggest possibilities like allies, while acknowledging no definitive list is provided.
The White House’s Secret A.I. Rules + The State of Model Alignment With METR’s Chris Painter + The Final Hot Mess Express
Q: What is the pass-fail threshold for safe vs. not safe?
The hosts discuss that the exact pass-fail threshold is not clear publicly, with questions about what the administration considers safe and how that will be measured.
The A.I. Trade Secrets War + Economists Say ‘We Must Act Now’ + HatGPT
Q: Erik, what inspired you to organize the 'We Must Act Now' letter and what should policymakers and signatories do next?
Brynjolfsson explains the sea change in attitudes toward AI, the need for economists to study AI's effects more deeply, and the goal of complementing humans rather than substituting them, suggesting a broad set of actions including better measurement, research, and policy experimentation.
Anthropic’s Cybersecurity Shock Wave + Ronan Farrow and Andrew Marantz on Their Sam Altman Investigation + One Good Thing
Q: Can Sam Altman be trusted?
The guests explain that the New Yorker profile is forensic and balanced, presenting a range of opinions from severe criticism to defenders, and emphasizing a broader pattern of truth-telling versus hype among Silicon Valley leaders.

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Hard Fork offers high-velocity conversations about AI, technology policy, and the societal implications of rapid innovation. Episodes mix regulatory upheaval, corporate strategy, and governance with in-depth interviews from researchers, policymakers, and industry leaders, plus timely culture and ethics segments. The show is known for a sharp, interview-driven format anchored by two NYT journalists who frequently challenge executives and raise accountability questions, making it a compelling listen for professionals tracking AI governance, product strategy, and tech policy. Noteworthy is the blend of hard policy analysis with accessible storytelling, plus a live-event cadence and recurring discussions about safety, ethics, and the human impa... more

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