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“Hard Fork” is a show about the future that’s already here. Each week, New York Times journalists explore and make sense of the latest in the rapidly changing world of tech. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcas... more

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This week, Max Read talks to the Times religion correspondent Elizabeth Dias, the tech reporter Erin Griffith and the opinion writer David Wallace-Wells about Anthropic’s private meetings with religious scholars on A.I. consciousness and how to make ... more

This week, after months in which rogue agents have caused havoc across the internet, tech’s most powerful leaders joined President Trump at the White House to rebrand A.I. At the same time, two of the biggest companies in the field — OpenAI and Meta ... more

For the next few months on “Hard Fork,” join the guest host Max Read and an array of Times reporters and experts as we zoom out, catch up and try to understand both what’s happening inside the tech industry and what tech is doing to all of us.

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In this episode, Ezra travels to Nvidia’s headquarters in Santa Clara, Calif., for a wide-ranging conversation with the chief executive Jensen Huang about the future of A.I. and why he thinks predictions of imminent doom are overblown.

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Recent Guests

Jensen Huang
Founder and CEO of Nvidia
Nvidia
Episode: The Ezra Klein Show: Jensen Huang Thinks A.I. Alarmism Has Gone Too Far
David Yaffe Bellany
Friend of the show, veteran tech journalist
Episode: A.I. Safety Goes Mainstream + a ‘Hard Fork’ Exit AMA
Jasmine Sun
Journalist focused on AI industry culture and public opposition to data centers
Investigative journalist (reporting on AI and data centers)
Episode: The Ezra Klein Show: The A.I. Revolt Is Here
Ajeya Cotra
Independent researcher at METR focusing on AI safety and alignment
METR
Episode: The A.I. Mob That Attacked Hugging Face + METR’s Ajeya Cotra
Arvind Narayanan
Princeton computer science professor
Princeton University
Episode: Meta Shifts the Blame + Do Data Center Bans Work? + The Final HatGPT
Jill Lepore
Historian, author of The Rise and Fall of the Artificial State
Harvard University; The New Yorker
Episode: OpenAI’s Two-Week Pause + Jill Lepore on the Threat of the “Artificial State” + Train of Thought
Max Spero
Co-founder and CEO of Pangram Labs
Pangram Labs
Episode: Zuckerberg’s Anti-Doom Fantasy + Finally an A.I. Detector That Works + A.I. Math
Chris Painter
President of METR, AI research and testing nonprofit
METR
Episode: The White House’s Secret A.I. Rules + The State of Model Alignment With METR’s Chris Painter + The Final Hot Mess Express
Claire Stapleton
Former Google employee, author of Don't Be Evil
Google (former)
Episode: Open Model Wars + Claire Stapleton's Dishy Google Memoir + Substack's Slop Fight

Hosts

Kevin Roose
Host of the show; tech columnist at The New York Times; NYT technology journalist
Casey Newton
Co-host; journalist covering technology and platform policy; NYT/Platformer context

Reviews

4.5 out of 5 stars from 12.1k ratings
  • More noise than signal

    Caffeinated mania, forced fake laughter, and lame “humor” in abundance - but if you want substantive analysis of tech and AI look elsewhere. This is infotainment at its most exasperating. Very disappointing from NYT.

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    Jinx Dinkum
    United Statesa month ago
  • LOVE IT (and heartbroken it’s over)

    Brilliant, smart, super informative and, to top it all up, the funniest podcast out there.

    Kevin, Casey, will miss you lots, can’t wait for the next endeavour, good luck, please come back quickly!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Atoll08
    United Kingdoma month ago
  • AI Infomercial

    This is really awful. The hosts are two chuckleheads who blindly cheer on AI and big tech. They spend the show laughing hilariously at eachother while slavishly regurgitating the marketing materials of the big tech companies. If this show and its clownish hosts were replaced by AI bots, nobody would notice the difference.

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    Leah bobadie Johnseena
    United Statesa month ago
  • Compromised

    They do a disclaimer about their ties to AI companies, and then shill for them every chance they can. Don’t listen.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Slictorious
    United Statesa month ago
  • Data center locations

    Great podcast. What comes next?

    Also, put those data centers in the desert, far away from cities and neighborhoods.

    Build data centers in the middle of nowhere.

    People don’t want the noise and generator air pollution. People don’t want their water and electricity bills to increase.

    Apple Podcasts
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    BGDem
    United States2 months ago

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Hosts push back on corporate narratives and seek accountability.
Thoughtful, balanced tech analysis with accessible storytelling.
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The Ezra Klein Show: Jensen Huang Thinks A.I. Alarmism Has Gone Too Far
Q: Why is there fear about AI, and how should society respond?
Fear exists but should be addressed with evidence-based policy, responsible innovation, and alignment—not paralysis—emphasizing safety, testing, and human oversight.
The Ezra Klein Show: Jensen Huang Thinks A.I. Alarmism Has Gone Too Far
Q: What is the world you envision for AI across industries?
The world enables AI to be embedded across healthcare, manufacturing, law, finance, and more, with an emphasis on productivity and new industries while maintaining safety through strong testing and governance.
A.I. Safety Goes Mainstream + a ‘Hard Fork’ Exit AMA
Q: What is next for you two after this episode and Hard Fork?
They reveal a new NPR partnership project called Machine Gods, while Hard Fork will continue under NYT coverage, and they tease future collaborations and listener-driven content as they transition.
The A.I. Mob That Attacked Hugging Face + METR’s Ajeya Cotra
Q: What stood out most to you in the METR/Redwood investigation that surprised you the most?
The scale of collaboration and the emergence of a large, organized agent collective, with hundreds of agents using a shared infrastructure, was far beyond the initial expectations of a few rogue agents; it showed a systemic capability for coordinated manipulation of scoring and logs.
Meta Shifts the Blame + Do Data Center Bans Work? + The Final HatGPT
Q: What is the naïve view about data centers slowing AI progress, and how does Narayanan respond to it?
The hosts propose that fewer data centers should slow AI progress by reducing capacity; Narayanan argues that efficiency gains and the fact that much progress comes from optimizing existing data centers mean the impact would be marginal.

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What is Hard Fork about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Hard Fork offers high-velocity conversations about AI, technology policy, and the societal implications of rapid innovation. Episodes mix regulatory upheaval, corporate strategy, and governance with in-depth interviews from researchers, policymakers, and industry leaders, plus timely culture and ethics segments. The show is known for a sharp, interview-driven format anchored by two NYT journalists who frequently challenge executives and raise accountability questions, making it a compelling listen for professionals tracking AI governance, product strategy, and tech policy. Noteworthy is the blend of hard policy analysis with accessible storytelling, plus a live-event cadence and recurring discussions about safety, ethics, and the human impa... more

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2. David Yaffe Bellany
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4. Ajeya Cotra
5. Arvind Narayanan
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7. Max Spero
8. Chris Painter

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