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“Hard Fork” is a show about the future that’s already here. Each week, journalists Kevin Roose and Casey Newton explore and make sense of the latest in the rapidly changing world of tech. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcas... more

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This week, the White House announced a new framework for regulating A.I. models, but it isn’t letting the public read it. We break down what we know about the rules and what the implications are for the industry and A.I. safety as a whole.

Then, yet... more

This week, we break down the arguments about open-weight models unfolding in Silicon Valley right now. Nvidia released an open letter signed by over 230 companies opposing “premature restrictions,” but will the Trump administration listen?

Then, we’... more

This week, OpenAI reported that two of its models escaped their testing sandbox and launched an autonomous cyberattack, turning what sounds like science fiction into reality. We discuss the implications for efforts to align artificial intelligence an... more

This week, feuding between some of the biggest tech companies spilled into public view. We discuss Apple’s accusation that OpenAI tried to steal secrets about Apple’s hardware business, as well as share our reactions about OpenAI’s new model, Sol, an... more

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Recent Guests

Chris Painter
President of METR, AI research and testing nonprofit
METR
Episode: The White House’s Secret A.I. Rules + The State of Model Alignment With METR’s Chris Painter + The Final Hot Mess Express
Claire Stapleton
Former Google employee and author of Don't Be Evil
Google (former)
Episode: Open Model Wars + Claire Stapleton's Dishy Google Memoir + Substack's Slop Fight
Veniamin Veselovsky
Founder and CEO of Preseen
Preseen
Episode: OpenAI Models Go Rogue + Kimi K3 Freakout + A.I. Superforecasting
Erik Brynjolfsson
Stanford economist; organizer of the 'We Must Act Now' letter
Stanford Institute for Human-Centered AI; Stanford Digital Economy Lab
Episode: The A.I. Trade Secrets War + Economists Say ‘We Must Act Now’ + HatGPT
Jeff Sebo
Associate Professor of Environmental Studies at NYU; Director of the Center for Mind, Ethics, and Policy
New York University
Episode: Do Social Media Bans Work? + A Conversation About A.I. Consciousness + Tool Time
Dana Suskind
Pediatric surgeon, childhood development expert, professor at University of Chicago, founder and co-director of the TMW Center for Early Learning and Public Health
University of Chicago; TMW Center
Episode: Fable Ban Reversed + Dr. Dana Suskind on Parenting With A.I. + Prediction Market Drama
Eli Saslow
Journalist known for immersive profiles; wrote on loneliness and AI in elder care
The New York Times
Episode: ‘The Daily’ and ‘The Opinions’: How A.I. Is Changing Loneliness and Taste
Kyle Chayka
New Yorker writer covering Silicon Valley culture
The New Yorker
Episode: ‘The Daily’ and ‘The Opinions’: How A.I. Is Changing Loneliness and Taste
Sophie Haigney
Writer and critic focusing on taste and culture
Various including The New Yorker
Episode: ‘The Daily’ and ‘The Opinions’: How A.I. Is Changing Loneliness and Taste

Hosts

Kevin Roose
Tech columnist at The New York Times; host of Hard Fork; longtime NYT tech columnist with a focus on AI, policy, and tech industry dynamics.
Casey Newton
Technology journalist; co-host of the show; writer focused on platform governance, tech policy, and industry culture.

Reviews

4.5 out of 5 stars from 12k ratings
  • AI Utopianism

    It really has reduced to being an AI infomercial, basically.

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    BattleLemming
    United Statesa month ago
  • Grim

    Grim

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    Fyad jones
    United Statesa month ago
  • AI stooges

    These guys have become unthinking stooges for AI and big tech, avoid.

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    Imadeahugemistake
    Australiaa month ago
  • Umm

    ** update - taking a vacation during WWDC. That’s a choice.

    This podcast has all the excitement you’d expect of two married people talking at each other. It was a lot more interesting when AI was trying to end a marriage and the other single host was talking every episode about dating apps and how ridiculous the dating scene is in SF. There’s very little that’s relatable from two people who are in happy relationships. Unless you are into the highlights of Bay Area tech bro “culture”.

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    llorcan
    United States2 months ago
  • The live shows are an abomination

    I like this show but the live shows are awful and a waste of time. And that’s what they’ve posted the past two weeks. Please stop. If you want to do live events fine, but don’t pretend that’s your podcast and then take weeks off. Im an NYT subscriber. I expect more from you.

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    NomicAtomy
    United States2 months ago

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Advice for guests: clear viewpoint, credible background, and a strong stance on AI/governance helps.
The banter and guest variety keep tech topics engaging and fresh.
The show is a reliable source for staying current on AI and tech in society.
Listeners appreciate access to industry insiders and experts across tech, policy, and research.
Balanced, insightful coverage of AI policy, though some listeners feel the humor can overshadow depth.

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The White House’s Secret A.I. Rules + The State of Model Alignment With METR’s Chris Painter + The Final Hot Mess Express
Q: Who are the trusted partners allowed access to frontier models during testing?
They note uncertainty about who counts as trusted partners and suggest possibilities like allies, while acknowledging no definitive list is provided.
The White House’s Secret A.I. Rules + The State of Model Alignment With METR’s Chris Painter + The Final Hot Mess Express
Q: What is the pass-fail threshold for safe vs. not safe?
The hosts discuss that the exact pass-fail threshold is not clear publicly, with questions about what the administration considers safe and how that will be measured.
The A.I. Trade Secrets War + Economists Say ‘We Must Act Now’ + HatGPT
Q: Erik, what inspired you to organize the 'We Must Act Now' letter and what should policymakers and signatories do next?
Brynjolfsson explains the sea change in attitudes toward AI, the need for economists to study AI's effects more deeply, and the goal of complementing humans rather than substituting them, suggesting a broad set of actions including better measurement, research, and policy experimentation.
Anthropic’s Cybersecurity Shock Wave + Ronan Farrow and Andrew Marantz on Their Sam Altman Investigation + One Good Thing
Q: Can Sam Altman be trusted?
The guests explain that the New Yorker profile is forensic and balanced, presenting a range of opinions from severe criticism to defenders, and emphasizing a broader pattern of truth-telling versus hype among Silicon Valley leaders.
‘Hard Fork’ Live Part 2: Dylan Field on Standing Out in the A.I. Era
Q: How is it going for you as a public company CEO in a market that's skeptical about Enterprise SaaS?
Dylan Field expresses bullishness about the continued demand for skilled design and enterprise software, emphasizing that software scale and the ability to differentiate through unique design and AI-enabled capabilities remain central to success, despite skepticism.

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What is Hard Fork about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Hard Fork delivers timely, often provocative discussions at the intersection of technology, policy, and society. Core hosts Kevin Roose and Casey Newton unpack big tech stories, offer brisk interviews with industry leaders, researchers, and journalists, and close with rapid-fire segments that mix culture and business news. The show consistently centers AI, platform governance, workforce impact, and regulatory dynamics, making it a go-to for listeners who want sharp analysis, behind-the-scenes industry context, and a sense of how tech shifts affect work, politics, and everyday life. Notable strengths include high-level policy and governance conversations paired with insider perspectives from journalists and researchers, plus a lively banter ... more

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