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“Hard Fork” is a show about the future that’s already here. Each week, journalists Kevin Roose and Casey Newton explore and make sense of the latest in the rapidly changing world of tech. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcas... more

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This week, we’re bringing you two A.I.-related stories from our colleagues at The New York Times.

First, Rachel Abrams, a host of “The Daily,” talks with the Times reporter Eli Saslow about a woman in a remote part of Washington who is using an A.I.... more

We’re back with our final installment from Hard Fork Live, recorded at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts in San Francisco. In this episode, we’re joined by Sayash Kapoor and Daniel Kokotajlo to talk about their differing visions of A.I. transformat... more

We’re back with more from our live event at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts in San Francisco. In this episode, we sit down with Dylan Field, a founder and the chief executive of the design company Figma, for what he describes as a “roller coaster... more

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Recent Guests

Daniel Kokotajlo
Co-author of AI 2027; author on AI futures
AI 2027 / Frontier Labs (as discussed)
Episode: ‘Hard Fork’ Live, Part 3: Differing Visions of an A.I. Future
Sayash Kapoor
AI researcher at Princeton; co-author of AI as Normal Technology
Princeton University
Episode: ‘Hard Fork’ Live, Part 3: Differing Visions of an A.I. Future
Dylan Field
CEO of Figma, AI and web-based design platform
Figma
Episode: ‘Hard Fork’ Live Part 2: Dylan Field on Standing Out in the A.I. Era
Satya Nadella
CEO of Microsoft
Microsoft
Episode: ‘Hard Fork’ Live, Part 1: Satya Nadella and Cindy Cohn
Phil Mohun
Executive Director of NODE, Palo Alto
NODE (Digital Art Center)
Episode: ‘Hard Fork’ Live, Part 1: Satya Nadella and Cindy Cohn
Cindy Cohn
Executive Director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation
EFF
Episode: ‘Hard Fork’ Live, Part 1: Satya Nadella and Cindy Cohn
Kevin Hartnett
Journalist; author of The Proof in the Code; editorial lead at Cursor
Cursor / Quanta Magazine
Episode: Hot I.P.O Summer + What Is A.I. Doing to Math? + HatGPT
Andrew Miller
Writes about transportation policy and the future of self-driving cars; co-author of The End of Driving; runs Changing Lanes
Substack: Changing Lanes; Author
Episode: Interesting Times: Why Are We Still Driving?
Sundar Pichai
CEO of Google
Google
Episode: Our Field Trip to Google I/O + A Sit-Down With Sundar Pichai + System Update

Hosts

Kevin Roose
Tech columnist at The New York Times; host of Hard Fork; longtime NYT tech columnist with a focus on AI, policy, and tech industry dynamics.
Casey Newton
Technology journalist; co-host of the show; writer focused on platform governance, tech policy, and industry culture.

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4.5 out of 5 stars from 11.9k ratings
  • Inconsistent

    This is often a timely and entertaining insight to current tech, but I’m finding Kevin’s biases toward AI are sometimes steamrolling over objectivity. Today was the day i unsubscribed. It’s been coming for awhile.

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    Cristina_11
    United Statesa month ago
  • AI AI AI

    It was a conversation about tech and the future but over the last year or so it feels like they have gone ALL IN on AI and it really dominates the conversation. Might be a sign of the times but would be nice to have an AI free episode from time to time or at least an AI free segment. I feel like I’m at work listening to this amount of hype.

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    Adam_____7
    Australiaa month ago
  • What is with the LAUGHING

    Every time this show appears on my feed, and I find the title compelling, I say to myself, “Oh, I forgot, they laugh like hyenas and make 12yo magician jokes.’” And “like” their voices sound annoying, never mind.

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    scootiemoon0
    United Statesa month ago
  • Informative

    This podcast is not liberal. It sounds like its sponsors are AI companies. They don’t really have a more human voice to what is happening in the world regarding AI. The New York Times needs to keep its shareholders happy and I’m sure a lot of their sponsors are tech companies. This isn’t making the world a better place. Just vague AI information at best.

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    4
    Banana145
    United Statesa month ago
  • Automatic unsubscribed for me….

    Apple podcast keeps unsubscribing Hard Fork for me and it’s the second time this has happened…. And it’s second week in a roll. Not sure why…

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    United Statesa month ago

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Advice for guests: clear viewpoint, credible background, and a strong stance on AI/governance helps.
The banter and guest variety keep tech topics engaging and fresh.
The show is a reliable source for staying current on AI and tech in society.
Listeners appreciate access to industry insiders and experts across tech, policy, and research.
Balanced, insightful coverage of AI policy, though some listeners feel the humor can overshadow depth.

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‘Hard Fork’ Live Part 2: Dylan Field on Standing Out in the A.I. Era
Q: How is it going for you as a public company CEO in a market that's skeptical about Enterprise SaaS?
Dylan Field expresses bullishness about the continued demand for skilled design and enterprise software, emphasizing that software scale and the ability to differentiate through unique design and AI-enabled capabilities remain central to success, despite skepticism.
‘Hard Fork’ Live Part 2: Dylan Field on Standing Out in the A.I. Era
Q: So Dylan, I wanna start by reading you a Facebook message I got on August 5th, 2009.
The message is acknowledged and contextualized as part of Dylan Field's backstory, illustrating a personal history that intersects with his later career in AI and design, with a light-hearted note that the moment was surprising but ultimately harmless.
Interesting Times: Why Are We Still Driving?
Q: Given the liability debate, how might the transition affect private car ownership and the broader transportation system?
Expect a gradual shift: many will retain some driver-assist features for decades, while fleets grow; ownership may decline in cities as robo-taxis become cheaper and more convenient, but policy and economics will shape adoption.
Interesting Times: Why Are We Still Driving?
Q: What level of autonomy do you consider sufficient for consumer-facing self-driving cars today, and how do you evaluate safety when there are human interventions in the loop?
There will still be a role for human intervention in some systems (driver assist) for now, but the aim is to shift toward fully autonomous operations where possible, with safety data guiding the pace of rollout.
Interesting Times: Why Are We Still Driving?
Q: Let's talk about liability, which you've already mentioned as a bigger issue than cost in terms of making personal sales commercially viable. Would you say that?
Liability is the single most in-need-of-clarity issue; regulators must hold ADS to a high standard to enable scale, even if that slows deployment in the short term.

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Hard Fork delivers timely, often provocative discussions at the intersection of technology, policy, and society. Core hosts Kevin Roose and Casey Newton unpack big tech stories, offer brisk interviews with industry leaders, researchers, and journalists, and close with rapid-fire segments that mix culture and business news. The show consistently centers AI, platform governance, workforce impact, and regulatory dynamics, making it a go-to for listeners who want sharp analysis, behind-the-scenes industry context, and a sense of how tech shifts affect work, politics, and everyday life. Notable strengths include high-level policy and governance conversations paired with insider perspectives from journalists and researchers, plus a lively banter ... more

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