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“Hard Fork” is a show about the future that’s already here. Each week, New York Times journalists explore and make sense of the latest in the rapidly changing world of tech. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcas... more

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Monday gave us the release of Anthropic’s S-1 filing, providing the clearest view yet into the business side of the A.I. boom and setting the stage for what could be the largest initial public offering in history. We’ll talk to Erin Griffith, who has... more

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This week, we focus on Billy Evans, the breakout character of the documentary “You Can See Everything,” and his Theranos-esque new blood-testing start-up. Rob Copeland, a New York Times finance reporter, and Erin Griffith, a tech reporter, join Max R... more

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This week, there’s a new blockbuster Elizabeth Holmes documentary out, and we’ve assembled an expert panel to discuss the movie and what Holmes means to the tech world of today. Max Read is joined by John Carreyrou, who, through his investigative rep... more

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This week, Max Read talks to the Times religion correspondent Elizabeth Dias, the tech reporter Erin Griffith and the opinion writer David Wallace-Wells about Anthropic’s private meetings with religious scholars on A.I. consciousness and how to make ... more

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Recent Guests

Erin Griffith
Technology reporter at The New York Times
The New York Times
Episode: Are We in an A.I. Bubble? We're About to Find Out.
Mike Isaac
Technology reporter at The New York Times
The New York Times
Episode: Are We in an A.I. Bubble? We're About to Find Out.
Jasmine Sun
Journalist and writer at jasmi.news
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Episode: Are We in an A.I. Bubble? We're About to Find Out.
Rob Copeland
New York Times finance reporter who reported on Billy Evans's blood-testing startup
The New York Times
Episode: What’s the Deal With Billy Evans? A Spoiler-Filled Guide to ‘You Can See Everything’
John Carreyrou
New York Times investigative reporter and author of Bad Blood
The New York Times
Episode: What’s the Deal With Billy Evans? A Spoiler-Filled Guide to ‘You Can See Everything’
Caitlin Roper
New York Times executive producer who wrote an early magazine piece about Elizabeth Holmes
The New York Times
Episode: Why No One Can Look Away From Elizabeth Holmes
Elizabeth Dias
National religion correspondent for The New York Times
The New York Times
Episode: Anthropic’s Quest to Give A.I. Morals
David Wallace-Wells
Opinion writer for The New York Times
The New York Times
Episode: Anthropic’s Quest to Give A.I. Morals
Eli Tan
New York Times reporter covering Meta and the tech industry
The New York Times
Episode: A.I. Agents: Cute, Cuddly and Maybe Catastrophically Dangerous?

Hosts

Kevin Roose
Host of the show; tech columnist at The New York Times; NYT technology journalist
Casey Newton
Co-host; journalist covering technology and platform policy; NYT/Platformer context

Reviews

4.4 out of 5 stars from 12.1k ratings
  • The View for AI: all opinion, no substance

    The old hosts were sort of off the rails sometimes but sounded credible. The new format so far is just group think opinion commentary on things that AI companies say publicly. Off my playlist for now. Maybe it’ll improve as these reviews keep coming in.

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  • New is Better!

    Love the new host & format I’m back as a listener!

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    Lady Lawyer Listening
    United States21 days ago
  • Hard Fork

    I can't believe this is the last podcast of Hard Fork. Kevin and Casey are so relevant and informative. How I'll miss them. Good bye, guys. I hope to find your new podcast.

    Update--I don't like the new podcast. It's not the same, as interesting, and as fun as Kevin and Casey. Bring them back!!!

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    insane from barking dog
    United States22 days ago
  • Terrible ever since the hosts stepped down

    Not one of the new hosts seems to have any expert knowledge about the subject

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  • New hosts Saying “like” one million times

    Really wanted to love this after fav hosts departed but new hosts are sounding like a bunch of 13 year olds saying “LIKE LIKE LIKE”.

    You’re at the New York Times! Do better. I could not make it through the infuriatingly distracting to listen to.

    Terrible unprofessional vocal ticks.

    Just speak slower so your brain can catch up please.

    Not worthy of the masthead. A few likes are fine but not every sentence.

    Decent content let down by lack of articulate speaking.

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Anthropic’s Quest to Give A.I. Morals
Q: What does Anthropic specifically want out of this?
Dias describes two related aims: exploring whether AI could be conscious and learning how to make Claude morally good. Olah initially sought to understand how religious communities might respond to AI consciousness, and the company argued that morally shaping its models could make the world safer, though it has not explained how it will use the discussions.
Anthropic’s Quest to Give A.I. Morals
Q: Can you tell us a little bit about what this piece was?
Dias says she reported on private meetings and larger gatherings where religious thinkers discussed AI consciousness and Anthropic's goal of morally forming Claude. She gathered participants' accounts and spoke with co-founder Christopher Olah about the questions driving the project.
What’s the Deal With Billy Evans? A Spoiler-Filled Guide to ‘You Can See Everything’
Q: Is it possible that it was all Sonny?
Carreyrou rejects that explanation, saying Holmes and Sunny Balwani ran Theranos together and that their messages show them jointly managing the company. He emphasizes that Holmes was CEO, board chair and had controlling voting rights.
What’s the Deal With Billy Evans? A Spoiler-Filled Guide to ‘You Can See Everything’
Q: What are the most unimpeachable pieces of evidence that Elizabeth Holmes is a fraudster?
Carreyrou says Holmes represented that Theranos could run hundreds of tests from a finger prick, while its Edison device could run only 12 test types and every result for those tests had to be voided. The later Minilab was never completed or shown to produce reliable results.
Are We in an A.I. Bubble? We're About to Find Out.
Q: Jasmine, what are you tracking for the midterms next week?
Jasmine Sun says anger about data centers is widespread but often not a decisive voting issue, though it could influence some local contests and close races in areas affected by data center development.

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What is Hard Fork about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Hard Fork offers high-velocity conversations about AI, technology policy, and the societal implications of rapid innovation. Episodes mix regulatory upheaval, corporate strategy, and governance with in-depth interviews from researchers, policymakers, and industry leaders, plus timely culture and ethics segments. The show is known for a sharp, interview-driven format anchored by two NYT journalists who frequently challenge executives and raise accountability questions, making it a compelling listen for professionals tracking AI governance, product strategy, and tech policy. Noteworthy is the blend of hard policy analysis with accessible storytelling, plus a live-event cadence and recurring discussions about safety, ethics, and the human impa... more

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