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Your best people aren't lazy. They're burned out. And there's a difference — one that costs you performance, retention, and culture if you can't spot it.

FRIED: The Burnout Podcast is a top 1% global show with over a million downloads, hosted by keynote speaker and burnout expert Cait Donovan. It's the show for leaders, executives, HR professionals, and high-responsibility humans who want to under... more

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Latest Episodes

"Skepticism is now the default posture." Henna Pryor

You're communicating more than ever. So why aren't people believing you? Deepfakes, scams, AI-polished everything, and a meeting transcript that gets screenshotted into a Slack thread before you'v... more

A perfectly good solution aimed at the wrong problem is still the wrong solution.

Picture an employee who has been fantastic for years. Smart, dependable, great work. Lately they are quieter in meetings, they stopped volunteering for projects, and t... more

"The same year that I filed bankruptcy, I was inducted into the Hall of Fame." Jess Pettitt

On Inauguration Day, my friend Jess Pettitt lost her largest contract. Not because of anything she did. The entire office she worked with was closed 21 minut... more

Preorder Mismatch (out October 27, 2026): caitdonovan.com/mismatch

"I just, for the first time, realized that I'm not actually in a toxic workplace. I'm just in a bad match." From an email a coaching client sent me.

For almost three years, ... more

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Henna Pryor
Workplace performance expert, award-winning author, global keynote speaker, and Inc. Magazine expert columnist
Episode: Nobody Believes You Anymore: Closing the Signal Gap in the Age of Doubt, with Henna Pryor
Jessica Pettitt
DEI speaker, trainer, consultant, crisis communications keynote speaker and author
Good Enough Now
Episode: Bankrupt and in the Hall of Fame the Same Year: How Leaders Climb Out of Crisis, with Jess Pettitt
Cait Donovan
Author and burnout expert discussing her book and the mismatch framework
Blue Goat Books (publisher) / Self
Episode: Why Good People Burn Out in Good Organizations: Jess Pettitt Interviews Me About Mismatch
Anton Gunn
distinguished expert in leadership and workplace culture; former senior advisor to President Barack Obama
Professional speaker, leadership consultant
Episode: Your Team Already Knows You're Burnt Out: Leadership, Capacity and the Busy Badge, with Anton Gunn
Jessi Beyer
International TEDx speaker, licensed crisis mental health professional, former SWAT negotiator
Crisis Readiness Group / Crisis Readiness
Episode: Former SWAT Negotiator: The Workplace Mental Health Lie Nobody Tells You | Jessi Beyer
Ewa Błaszczak
Leadership expert and author of The Leader and the Ego
The Leader and the Ego (book)
Episode: How a Leader’s Ego Can Burn Out Their Team with Ewa Błaszczak
Bhushan Sethi
Partner at PwC US Consulting; expert in Workforce Strategy and AI-led Transformation
PwC US Consulting
Episode: The $322 Billion Business Case for Employee Wellbeing, with Bhushan Sethi
Owen Fitzpatrick
Social psychologist, keynote speaker and author of Inner Propaganda
Episode: Belief Leadership Starts with Knowing Inner Propaganda with Owen Fitzpatrick
Natalie Nixon
Creativity Whisperer to the C-suite; CEO of Figure Eight Thinking; author of Move Think Rest
Figure Eight Thinking
Episode: Redefining Productivity: Why Rigor Turns Into Burnout, with Dr. Natalie Nixon

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Cait Donovan
Host and burnout expert; keynote speaker; FRIED. The Burnout Podcast founder/lead.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 426 ratings
  • Great episode, great show

    Cait's conversation with Anton Gunn on why your team already knows you're burnt out reframed burnout as a leadership and capacity problem, not a personal failing. Honest, useful listening for anyone leading a team.

    Podchaser
    5
    Sabrina Runbeck
    20 days ago
  • Insightful. Must listen.

    I recently had the pleasure of being a guest on the FRIED Podcast!! But I’ve been listening and recommending it to my clients for quite a while.

    Cait’s passion for the topic of burnout comes through in every conversation, but what sets her apart is the quality of her questions. She listens deeply, asks the kind of questions that make you stop and think, and creates space for a conversation to go somewhere meaningful rather than simply moving through a list of talking points.

    Whether you’re ex... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Speaketc
    United States2 months ago
  • Validated my experience!!

    I am so glad to have discovered this podcast. It has clarified and validated my experience. It feels supportive and informative. It is educational for both individuals and organisations. I like the humour, personal stories and in-depth knowledge of the topic. It has helped me a lot - Thank you!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Burnt211
    Australia3 months ago
  • Feeling fried in SC

    I look forward to hearing these podcasts. I am working 60-85 hours a week burnt out and I feel like I have a place I can go and hear about people that are struggling like me. I’m going back and listening to the older episodes I have been listening for a few years now. I listen as I drive to and from work. You are making a difference in my life!

    Thank you.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Nekomidori73
    United States6 months ago
  • Life Changing

    When I say that this podcast changed the course of my life it is not an understatement. I was so burnt out! Then I got coaching from Cait and kept listing to the pod and I'm in such a better place 7 months later. I'm so thankful for this amazing resource and for Cait for helping me get my life into alignment!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    K Scroggin
    United States8 months ago

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Nobody Believes You Anymore: Closing the Signal Gap in the Age of Doubt, with Henna Pryor
Q: As a human, in 2026, how do we disarm the skepticism a little before we jump in?
Pryor recommends preparing for two barriers: the cognitive “yeah, but” a listener already holds and their emotional state. Communicators should identify those barriers and address them directly with a well-chosen, genuine acknowledgment before presenting their message.
Nobody Believes You Anymore: Closing the Signal Gap in the Age of Doubt, with Henna Pryor
Q: Why the signal gap and what is the signal gap, first of all?
Pryor defines it as the distance between intended signals and what a verifying audience receives. She says believability is breaking in subtle ways with significant costs, in a period when skepticism is the default.
Bankrupt and in the Hall of Fame the Same Year: How Leaders Climb Out of Crisis, with Jess Pettitt
Q: Can you talk about now the five stages of doing good better?
Pettitt describes the climb as knowing your numbers, holding the line, earning the room, planting the flag and outlasting the cycle. The stages help organizations understand their reality, build trust and collaboration, clarify their values, and remain intact through disruption.
Bankrupt and in the Hall of Fame the Same Year: How Leaders Climb Out of Crisis, with Jess Pettitt
Q: Why do you think that happened, that those are your people? Or do you know?
Pettitt says she identifies with people who feel like outsiders and that leaders may believe no one can help them while still desperately seeking support. Her experience with clients helps them see they are not alone and that failure will not destroy them.
How a Leader’s Ego Can Burn Out Their Team with Ewa Błaszczak
Q: What is the practical first step to make the ego conscious in daily leadership?
Use the avatar stage to identify who is listening to ego's thoughts and practice metacognition to observe the ego from a higher self perspective.

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A leading podcast about burnout, leadership, and organizational design, it consistently explores how mismatches between people, roles, expectations, and systems drive disengagement and turnover. Episodes blend neuroscience, psychology, and practical strategies for sustainable high performance, with solo takes and expert interviews aimed at leaders, HR professionals, and managers seeking actionable frameworks to prevent burnout and improve culture. Noteworthy is the emphasis on systemic fixes over individual fixes, accessible science-backed insights, and a practical toolkit spanning emotional intelligence, nervous system regulation, autonomy, and psychosocial safety.

A standout aspect is the host's no-fluff, results-oriented approach, plus ... more

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