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Welcome to Form & Structure, a podcast exploring the intersection of policy, technology, and financial innovation. Hosted by Patrick Murck, Founder and CEO of Surus, this series delves into the most pressing issues shaping the future of digital finance. Form & Structure is presented by Surus, an institutional-grade, regulated asset management and custody platform that enables builders and investor... more

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Greg Xethalis, Karen Ubell, and Sheila Warren join Patrick Murck to debate the Clarity Act blowup, crypto market structure legislation strategy, and whether there's still a window to pass comprehensive crypto legislation this year or if the industry ... more

Financial regulation is failing to keep pace with innovation and the results are catastrophic. The UN estimates that less than 1% of financial crime gets caught globally, despite banks spending tens of billions annually on AML compliance. In this epi... more

U.S. policymakers continue to wrestle with how to regulate decentralized finance, stablecoins, and the broader crypto ecosystem. But as our guests Rebecca Rettig and Mike Mosier argue, the central challenge has never been "decentralization." Instead,... more

In this monthly policy roundtable, Patrick Murck is joined by Greg Xethalis (General Counsel, Multicoin Capital) and Karen Ubell (Partner, Goodwin) to break down the urgent push for crypto market structure legislation before midterms. They discuss Mi... more

Protocol Labs' Juan Benet (Founder & CEO) and Diana Stern (Deputy General Counsel) join Patrick Murck on this week's episode. They discuss launching the PL 'alignment asset' token as a novel way to share incentives across Protocol Labs' network of ov... more

Patrick Murck hosts David Tse (Co-Founder of Babylon Labs co-founder and Stanford professor) dive into how Babylon attracted nearly $7 billion in Bitcoin staking and explore their new trustless Bitcoin vaults that activate dormant Bitcoin assets for ... more

Patrick Murck and Professor Carla Reyes (SMU Law) discuss how the 2022 UCC amendments created "controllable electronic records" to finally align commercial law with crypto lending practices. They explore whether Bitcoin's UTXO system makes security i... more

In this episode of Form & Structure, Patrick Murck sits down with Pete Rizzo, The Bitcoin Historian and host of the Supply Shock podcast, for a wide-ranging conversation about Bitcoin's evolution and what Pete calls its "new epoch.".

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Jo Ann Barefoot
CEO and co-founder of the Alliance for Innovative Regulation, nonprofit focused on digitizing financial regulations
Alliance for Innovative Regulation
Episode: How AI and RegTech Are Transforming Financial Regulation with Jo Ann Barefoot
David Tse
Co-founder of Babylon Labs and professor at Stanford
Babylon Labs
Episode: Making Bitcoin Productive: The $7 Billion Validation
Carla Reyes
Professor at SMU Deadman School of Law
SMU Deadman School of Law
Episode: Crypto Lending and the UCC's New Digital Asset Rules
Bo Hines
Executive Director for the President's Council of Advisors for Digital Assets
President's Council of Advisors for Digital Assets
Episode: The Crypto Capital Blueprint: Bo Hines and Dan Spuller on America's Digital Assets Strategy
Dan Spuller
EVP of Industry Affairs at the Blockchain Association
Blockchain Association
Episode: The Crypto Capital Blueprint: Bo Hines and Dan Spuller on America's Digital Assets Strategy
Adam Silver
Co-Founder and CEO of Plural, focused on tokenization of renewable energy investments.
Plural
Episode: Tokenizing the Energy Transition with Adam Silver (CEO of Plural)
Nick Ducoff
Institutional Growth Lead at the Solana Foundation
Solana Foundation
Episode: How Solana Hit $10B+ in TVL: The Tech, Retail, and Institutional Flywheel with Nick Ducoff
Andrey Chabanov
Co-founder and CEO of Trusttek and Ramp Me Daddy
Trusttek, Ramp Me Daddy
Episode: Bridging Institutional Infrastructure with Memecoin Wallets
Jess Cheng
Partner at Wilson Sonsini with experience in senior legal roles at the Federal Reserve, the IMF and Ripple
Wilson Sonsini
Episode: What Is a Payment, Really?

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Patrick Murck
Founder and CEO of Surus, Patrick Murck brings expertise in policy, technology, and financial innovation to the discussion, aiming to navigate the complexities of the digital finance landscape.

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Regulate Who Controls the Money, Not 'Decentralization'
Q: What are the alternatives if the market structure bill can't be passed?
There is room for FinCEN to update its guidance to address the current ecosystem that has dramatically changed since the last major regulations were made.
The GENIUS Act Passes: Unlocking America's Stablecoin Future
Q: What is the significance of the Genius Act?
It's seen as a major unlock for the stablecoin industry, providing a regulated framework that could transform collateral management and payment systems.
How Credit Markets Are Getting an Onchain Upgrade
Q: How have you built up this approach?
We focused on the borrower side of the market because they face short-term gaps in liquidity, which was our differentiation.
How Credit Markets Are Getting an Onchain Upgrade
Q: Can you give us a quick summation of Credit Coop?
Credit Coop builds blockchain-powered infrastructure that turns future cash flows into programmable collateral.

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This informative series focuses on the intersection of policy, technology, and financial innovation, addressing critical developments shaping the landscape of digital finance. Notable discussions include regulatory frameworks, decentralized finance (DeFi), cryptocurrency legislation, and the implications of new market structures like stablecoins. Episodes feature insights from industry experts and thought leaders, helping listeners understand complex topics such as the Bitcoin ecosystem, asset tokenization, and evolving legal frameworks in the financial sector. Emphasizing a collaborative approach, this series is particularly valuable for professionals interested in the regulatory environment, innovation in financial products, and the futur... more

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