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Dirt to Development

Withey Morris
Phoenix, United States
Arizona
Zoning
Phoenix
Tempe
Mesa
Real Estate Development
Adaptive Reuse
21st Century Road To Housing Act
Arizona Legislature
Rema
The Toy Barn
Built-To-Rent
Commercial Conversion
Valley Partnership
Real Estate
Artificial Intelligence
Infill Development
North Central Phoenix
Cotfields Golf Course

We've got a dirty secret. Quite a few actually, and you will only hear them on our new podcast called Dirt to Development. We give you a behind-the-scenes look at key development projects and the insane stories surrounding them. Stay tuned to listen to all the dirt on land use, development, and the inside politics of Arizona!

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Latest Episodes

Arizona is growing—and the rules for getting that growth built are changing fast. In this episode, Adam Baugh takes a look at six land use trends reshaping Arizona in 2026, from the growing tug-of-war between state and local control to infrastructure... more

Every development project eventually meets its critics—but opposition doesn't have to become an obstacle. In this episode of Dirt to Development, we explore practical strategies for transforming project opponents into project allies, from effective n... more

Across Arizona, developers are transforming aging offices, obsolete retail centers, and underutilized commercial buildings into vibrant new destinations. But adaptive reuse projects often come with hidden challenges—from deed restrictions and zoning ... more

Artificial intelligence is quickly becoming one of the most talked-about tools in commercial real estate, but what does it actually mean for developers, investors, brokers, and landowners? In this episode of Dirt to Development, we explores the growi... more

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Recent Guests

Clark Princell
Executive Director, Valley Partnership
Valley Partnership
Episode: Ep. 78 - The Growth Advocate: Clark Princell on Housing, Politics, and Arizona’s Development Future
George Pasquel
Esteemed colleague monitoring legislation on development and land use
WMB Attorneys
Episode: Ep. 77 - Big Box to Big Blocks: The Empty Commerical to Multifamily Makeover w/George Pasquel
Steve Laterra
Developer, Terra Lane Communities (Laterra family name)
Terra Lane Communities / RSI NP / IHP Capital Partners (historical)
Episode: Ep. 76 - The ROAD Less Traveled: What Congress' Housing Bill Means for BTR with Steve LaTerra
Hayes McNeil
Designer and architect at Plus Minus Studio
Plus Minus Studio
Episode: Ep. 73 - Razing the Bar: An Adaptive Reuse Love Story
April Silek
Owner and executive designer at CVTOS Studio
CVTOS Studio
Episode: Ep. 73 - Razing the Bar: An Adaptive Reuse Love Story
Tom Bilsten
Tom Bilsten, Bilsten Consulting
Bilsten Consulting
Episode: Ep. 71 - Community Outreach 101...with Tom Bilsten
Jason Phillips
Co-founder of The Toy Barn, a luxury garage condominium brand based in Scottsdale
The Toy Barn
Episode: Ep. 70 - The Toy Barn - A grown ass mancave...with Jason Phillips
Kathy Tilkey
Former Gilbert Chamber of Commerce CEO and Gilbert council member, advocate for victims of violence
Gilbert Chamber of Commerce (former CEO); Advocacy Center founder
Episode: Ep. 69 - Shouting Loudly: Is Civic Discourse a Lost Art?
Mark Stewart
Maricopa County Board of Supervisors for District 1; small business owner
Maricopa County Board of Supervisors
Episode: Ep. 69 - Shouting Loudly: Is Civic Discourse a Lost Art?

Hosts

Adam Baw
Host of the show, co-host providing legal insights.
Jason Morris
Co-host of the show, provides interview guidance and legal/industry insights.
Adam Baugh
Host with legal background providing industry insights.
Adam Baa
Host with legal/industry insights; combines practical and theoretical perspectives.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 44 ratings
  • Guys your experience and recommendations are spot on. The only nuance I was hoping to hear about was if the land is zoned for intended use but requires a SUP or CUP and what that adds to timeline, process, cost. Love all that you are doing with this, well done and thank you.

    Audible
    5
    Jennifer Summers
    United States3 years ago
  • Valuable in-trench insights

    Guys your experience and recommendations are spot on. The only nuance I was hoping to hear about was if the land is zoned for intended use but requires a SUP or CUP and what that adds to timeline, process, cost. Love all that you are doing with this, well done and thank you.

    Audible
    5
    Jennifer Summers
    United States3 years ago
  • Come for land-use, stay for laughs!

    Two really funny, really smart guys discussing the challenges of urban planning and development. Throw in some genuinely funny commentary and fascinating guests and you've got the recipe for a successful podcast.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    NoThacker77
    United States3 years ago
  • Very Insightful

    I LOVE listening to this podcast. I’m about to start law school and I’ve always been interested in real estate, development, politics, and the associated laws. This is the perfect intersection between those 4 topics. After my uncle told me about the show I listened to it for 5 hours straight on a road trip and never got bored! It does a fantastic job at illustrating all the behind the scenes work that these attorneys do to make their clients’ deals happen! Super interesting, informative, and fun... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    kobí
    United States3 years ago
  • Great stuff!

    Witty and informative. These guys sure know the political landscape of Phoenix and the zoning process.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Jim Deakyne
    United States3 years ago

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A must listen for anyone in the development space.
Two really funny, really smart guys discussing the challenges of urban planning and development.
Informative, funny, and behind the scenes. Love it!
Witty and informative. These guys know the political landscape of Phoenix and the zoning process.
I LOVE listening to this podcast. It's the perfect intersection between real estate, development, politics, and the laws.

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Ep. 67 - Friends in the right places...with Steve Bowser
Q: What tips would you give practitioners to move from dirt to development?
Be realistic, hire the best consultants, and assemble a strong team early; engage zoning attorneys and civil engineers from the start to shape feasible plans.
Ep. 67 - Friends in the right places...with Steve Bowser
Q: How did you first meet, Steve?
Steve explains he was connected to the team through CVS projects and that the collaboration formed early, setting the tone for future work together.

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Frequently Asked Questions About Dirt to Development

What is Dirt to Development about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show centers on land use, development, and the politics shaping Arizona's growth, frequently pairing practical legal guidance with on-the-ground industry stories. Episodes cover adaptive reuse, data-center zoning, BTR (build-to-rent), and neighborhood engagement, all framed by candid discussions with developers, attorneys, architects, and policy advocates. A standout aspect is its ability to translate complex regulatory dynamics into accessible, actionable insights, often illustrated with Arizona-specific case studies and behind-the-scenes anecdotes. Potential listeners include real estate professionals, city planners, and policy enthusiasts who want a pragmatic view of how entitlement processes unfold, who influences them, and how to ... more

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Recent guests on Dirt to Development include:

1. Clark Princell
2. George Pasquel
3. Steve Laterra
4. Hayes McNeil
5. April Silek
6. Tom Bilsten
7. Jason Phillips
8. Kathy Tilkey

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