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This ain't your pastor's Bible podcast. This is a deep interrogation of the book, and we're bringing receipts. Bible scholar Dr. Dan McClellan and atheist podcaster Dan Beecher team up to discover what the Bible actually says, what it decidedly doesn't say (even if everyone thinks it does), and explore the history of the most popular book of all time.

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This week, we're finally reading a chapter verse by verse, and Exodus 24 does not make it easy: in just 18 verses, Moses climbs a mountain, wanders off to write everything down and splash the people with blood, climbs again, and somehow keeps finding... more

Pope Leo XIV called the death penalty "inadmissible," and the internet promptly told him to go read his Bible—the one that prescribes execution for everything from kidnapping to picking up sticks on the Sabbath. But the Pope is making the same image-... more

In the beginning was the Word, but what if the Word was Wisdom all along?

This week we welcome Dustin Smith, New Testament scholar at Spartanburg Methodist College and host of the Biblical Unitarian Podcast, to talk about his book Wisdom Christology... more

It's the most spookiest time of the year, so we're debuting a brand-new segment: Hexegesis!

Did King James really slip "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" into Exodus because he hated witches, or does the trouble go all the way back to the Hebre... more

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Recent Guests

Dustin Smith
New Testament scholar at Spartanburg Methodist College and host of the Biblical Unitarian Podcast
Spartanburg Methodist College
Episode: How Lady Wisdom Became Flesh with Dustin Smith
Joel Webbin
Christian nationalist commentator
Self-described Christian nationalist
Episode: You Starve ... Glory Be To God?
Monte Mader
Social media influencer and musician known for discussing biblical and religious topics
Independent creator
Episode: Inside purity culture and Christian nationalism with Monte Mader
Leslie Baynes
Professor of New Testament and Second Temple Judaism at Missouri State University
Missouri State University
Episode: C. S. Lewis and the Bible with Leslie Baynes
Jeremy Steele
Author of Rituals for Heretics
Author, Skeptic Pastor
Episode: Even Heretics Deserve Rituals! With Jeremy Steele
Lincoln Blumell
Professor in religious education at Brigham Young University
Brigham Young University
Episode: Everyone is Wrong About 2 John!
Jennifer Garcia Bashaw
Professor at Campbell University and ordained Baptist minister
Campbell University
Episode: Serving Up Scripture With Jennifer Garcia Bashaw and Aaron Higashi
Aaron Higashi
Public Bible scholar and author with a PhD in biblical interpretation
Episode: Serving Up Scripture With Jennifer Garcia Bashaw and Aaron Higashi
Dr. Michael Peppard
Professor of theology at Fordham University and associate director of the Curran Center for American Catholic Studies
Fordham University
Episode: Close Encounters of the Catholic Kind

Hosts

Dan McClellan
Host of Data Over Dogma; Bible scholar; co-host who engages material and guides discussion.
Dan Beecher
Co-host, analyzes and debates the material; introduces and moderates discussions.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 3.3k ratings
  • Lots of good info but political biases fully visible on political topics

    In general I like the show but skip anything that looks political or political-adjacent because they make it clear they are on the left side of the aisle. Not sure why they’d need to discuss politics on a bible podcast, especially when it is off-putting to half your audience. But now that I know they believe man is causing climate change, which has been thoroughly debunked in the past year by data, I now take their thoughts with a grain of salt and do my own research after listening, because I’... more

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    easterbunnyclan
    United States15 days ago
  • The Dan's are great!

    Podcast Addict
    5
    Dona
    20 days ago
  • Irving Finkel

    HAVE YOU TRIED TO GET AN INTERVIEW WITH IRVING FINKEL?

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    alleeexxxx
    United Statesa month ago
  • Consistently Informative with Humor!

    I first caught Dan McClellan in my IG thread and started following him. After awhile of sharing his stories with my wife who listens to a lot of science and nature podcasts I decided to check it out. Now I am a true convert! I am the son of a conservative Baptist pastor and seminary professor; attended a Bible school for a year and then minored in Theater and Biblical & Theological Studies in college. I have since moved beyond as a religious naturalist but continue to read about Biblical history... more

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    TomYears
    United Statesa month ago
  • I tried

    But there’s just too much giggling and grabass.

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    BigHaakDaddyAloha
    United Statesa month ago

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Some note the show's critical stance toward religious misinformation and its balanced discussion of faith and atheism.
Many appreciate the thoughtful challenge to common assumptions about scripture.
Fans highlight the Hosts' encyclopedic knowledge and ability to explain complex ideas clearly.
Listeners praise the show's rigorous, accessible Bible scholarship and engaging banter.

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You Can't Out-Bible the Pope
Q: So can we get into, like, are we, you know, you sent me a video that was a guy talking about sacrifice, and he was talking about, you know, did blood, did the blood of the animals wash sins away?
McClellan says biblical sacrifices had multiple rationales and rejects reading later Christian ideas about Jesus into ancient Israelite practice. He describes Jacob Milgrom's influential theory that sacrificial blood cleansed the temple and sacred precinct of metaphysical contamination rather than cleansing individual sinners.
You Can't Out-Bible the Pope
Q: So, let's start with just sort of, do we have a sense of where it came from, why it started?
McClellan suggests that animal offerings may have grown from practices of providing food and other necessities to the dead and to gods, based on beliefs that unseen agents needed them. Over time, sacrifice became a social ritual that expressed piety and community belonging.
How Lady Wisdom Became Flesh with Dustin Smith
Q: So, what's the takeaway here? How should a modern reader use this in their understanding of Jesus?
Smith says that John presents Jesus as the fullest embodiment of God's wisdom, and that readers can seek and live by that wisdom by following Jesus' teachings.
How Lady Wisdom Became Flesh with Dustin Smith
Q: Can you just give us a 30,000 foot view on what wisdom Christology is and maybe how it differs from what other people who have ever heard the word Christology might understand?
Smith defines wisdom Christology as the New Testament authors' portrayal of Jesus through the roles, traits, and descriptions associated with God's personified wisdom.
C. S. Lewis and the Bible with Leslie Baynes
Q: What is your fascination with C. S. Lewis, and where does your interest come from?
Leslie Baynes explains that Lewis's appeal lies in his blending of literary artistry with biblical and mythic thinking, his upbringing, and his self-directed study of theology and scripture, as well as how his life stories intersect with his scholarly interests.

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What is Data Over Dogma about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show combines rigorous biblical scholarship with accessible, often humorous conversation to interrogate what the Bible actually says and how its ideas have shaped culture. Across episodes, the two hosts—one a Bible scholar and the other an atheist podcaster—challenge common interpretations, trace textual history, and explore the cultural and political implications of religious ideas. Sponsor reads are woven into the discourse, but the core is careful analysis, open debate, and a willingness to question received wisdom. A distinctive thread is the commitment to evidence-based discussion, while keeping the dialogue engaging for listeners who want both depth and wit. The format tends to mix philology, historical context, and contemporary ... more

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