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This ain't your pastor's Bible podcast. This is a deep interrogation of the book, and we're bringing receipts. Bible scholar Dr. Dan McClellan and atheist podcaster Dan Beecher team up to discover what the Bible actually says, what it decidedly doesn't say (even if everyone thinks it does), and explore the history of the most popular book of all time.

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Recent Guests

Joel Webbin
Christian nationalist commentator
Self-described Christian nationalist
Episode: You Starve ... Glory Be To God?
Monte Mader
Social media influencer and musician known for discussing biblical and religious topics
Independent creator
Episode: Inside purity culture and Christian nationalism with Monte Mader
Leslie Baynes
Professor of New Testament and Second Temple Judaism at Missouri State University
Missouri State University
Episode: C. S. Lewis and the Bible with Leslie Baynes
Lincoln Blumell
Professor in religious education at Brigham Young University
Brigham Young University
Episode: Everyone is Wrong About 2 John!
Jennifer Garcia Bashaw
Professor at Campbell University and ordained Baptist minister
Campbell University
Episode: Serving Up Scripture With Jennifer Garcia Bashaw and Aaron Higashi
Aaron Higashi
Public Bible scholar and author with a PhD in biblical interpretation
Episode: Serving Up Scripture With Jennifer Garcia Bashaw and Aaron Higashi
Dr. Michael Peppard
Professor of theology at Fordham University and associate director of the Curran Center for American Catholic Studies
Fordham University
Episode: Close Encounters of the Catholic Kind
Hugo Méndez
Associate Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Episode: John! With Hugo Méndez
Dr. Yii-Jan Lin
Associate Professor of New Testament at Yale Divinity School
Yale Divinity School
Episode: Episode 107: Immigrant Apocalypse with Yii-Jan Lin

Hosts

Dan McClellan
Host of Data Over Dogma; Bible scholar; co-host who engages material and guides discussion.
Dan Beecher
Co-host, analyzes and debates the material; introduces and moderates discussions.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 3.2k ratings
  • Wow!

    Great podcast, you already know that. BUT I only just found out which Dan is which, and I’m shocked! I honestly thought it was the other way around!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Dadai5m
    Australia23 days ago
  • Go back to focusing on DATA

    I love this podcast. However, I’ve been disappointed by some of the more recent episodes. Seems like a lot more waxing poetic than referencing ACTUAL data. Dan B hasn’t been asking as many questions, and it makes the episodes feel flat.

    Love you guys! Please try to regroup and refocus.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    alleeexxxx
    United States2 months ago
  • Monte Mader

    Good news for Monte, there is no statute of limitation for criminal offenses in the state of Wyoming. If what she said about her father is true, she can still press charges today and get justice.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Rswholike2draw
    United States2 months ago
  • I can do this all day!!!

    I’m a PK, and attended lots of church growing up and went to a Christian school. I spend hours driving every week and the 2 Dans provide me with interesting information. So much of the Bible that I thought I understood has been explained in a language easy to understand. Dan & Dan are not merely skeptics, they are subject matter experts and very amusing as well!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    gnozea
    United States2 months ago
  • A New Significance.

    Hearing the Bible analyzed and discussed like this highlights its importance in shaping our culture and our history. It also has made me realize what a truly poignant story it tells (particularly the Hebrew Bible) - a story about how a people defines itself after losing the institutions that give it identity. It’s a story about adaptation and survival at any cost.

    You don’t have to be a believer to get something powerful out of the Bible when it’s presented the way the Dans do it.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    JasperGester
    United States4 months ago

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Some note the show's critical stance toward religious misinformation and its balanced discussion of faith and atheism.
Many appreciate the thoughtful challenge to common assumptions about scripture.
Fans highlight the Hosts' encyclopedic knowledge and ability to explain complex ideas clearly.
Listeners praise the show's rigorous, accessible Bible scholarship and engaging banter.

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C. S. Lewis and the Bible with Leslie Baynes
Q: What is your fascination with C. S. Lewis, and where does your interest come from?
Leslie Baynes explains that Lewis's appeal lies in his blending of literary artistry with biblical and mythic thinking, his upbringing, and his self-directed study of theology and scripture, as well as how his life stories intersect with his scholarly interests.
Even Heretics Deserve Rituals! With Jeremy Steele
Q: How do you respond to concerns about cultural appropriation when adapting rituals like smudging or the Eucharist?
He discusses engaging with communities, acknowledging boundaries, and framing rituals as shared human knowledge that can be accessed respectfully, with openness to feedback.
Even Heretics Deserve Rituals! With Jeremy Steele
Q: Why did you write Rituals for Heretics, and what gap does it fill for readers?
Jeremy explains that rituals offer psychological benefits that can help people heal and connect, even if they leave traditional religion, and he provides practical rituals that can be adapted for secular use.
Serving Up Scripture With Jennifer Garcia Bashaw and Aaron Higashi
Q: What was the aim of including a brief view of the different genres of the Bible in your book?
This foundation helps readers understand how to read the Bible effectively, as genres differ greatly from today's conventions.
Serving Up Scripture With Jennifer Garcia Bashaw and Aaron Higashi
Q: Do you get into contextual theology in the interpretation of the Bible?
Yes, we discuss how one's background and experiences play a role in interpretation and the importance of recognizing our own lenses.

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What is Data Over Dogma about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show combines rigorous biblical scholarship with accessible, often humorous conversation to interrogate what the Bible actually says and how its ideas have shaped culture. Across episodes, the two hosts—one a Bible scholar and the other an atheist podcaster—challenge common interpretations, trace textual history, and explore the cultural and political implications of religious ideas. Sponsor reads are woven into the discourse, but the core is careful analysis, open debate, and a willingness to question received wisdom. A distinctive thread is the commitment to evidence-based discussion, while keeping the dialogue engaging for listeners who want both depth and wit. The format tends to mix philology, historical context, and contemporary ... more

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