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WHAT IF WE GET IT RIGHT?

Ayana Elizabeth Johnson
Climate Change
Environmental Justice
Clean Energy
Renewable Energy
Environmental Law
Climate Solutions
Climate Crisis
Inflation Reduction Act
PFAS
Climate Action
Activism
Sabin Center For Climate Change Law
Trump Administration
Storytelling
Environmental Protection Agency
Climate Justice
Federal Climate Funding
Solar Energy
Electrification
Policy Change

A show about climate solutions, about what we need to do to address the climate crisis, and how to make those things happen — from changing laws, to electrifying buildings, to improving fashion and media. Each week an expert guest joins host Dr. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson to break it down, delightfully, and help us all envision what getting right on climate looks like, so we can reel that vision into... more

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So much to discuss. SO MANY WINS! This much more expansive sense of possibility feels magnificent. And doesn’t this question of “what if we get it right?” feel a little less naïve now?

There’s no guest this episode, just Bill and Ayana reveling and ... more

Today’s episode is a reprieve from the midterm election. We’ll take your mind off the fate of our democracy for an hour to instead explore the wonders of the deep sea and risks/promise of ocean industrialization. And we’ll be back in a few days with ... more

First, a question: Are you helping ensure that pro-Earth candidates win these midterm elections? If not, scroll down to the “Calls to Action” section for some ideas and links. Denizens of Earth, let’s win this thing!

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Before diving into today’s episode, a tiny celebration 🎉: The What If We Get It Right? podcast reached 500,000+ downloads! THANK YOU for listening. More great interviews coming your way. To support the show (1) follow and review 🌟, (2) tell your pe... more

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Diva Amon
Caribbean deep-sea biologist, National Geographic Explorer and co-founder of SpeSeas
SpeSeas
Episode: Deep sea mining, floating data centers, and a new species of octopus 🐙👷🏻 with Dr. Diva Amon and Ben Wolkon
Ben Wolkon
Climate investor and founder and CEO of Avarna
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Episode: Deep sea mining, floating data centers, and a new species of octopus 🐙👷🏻 with Dr. Diva Amon and Ben Wolkon
Naomi Klein
Author, journalist and activist, co-author of End Times Fascism and the Fight for the Living World
Episode: Climate supremacy and the spiritual battle over AI 🤖 with Naomi Klein
Deb Haaland
Former U.S. Secretary of the Interior, former congresswoman, and member of the Pueblo of Laguna
Episode: Clean energy transition in the Land of Enchantment 🏜️ with Deb Haaland
Brad Lander
Former New York City Comptroller and candidate for New York's 10th Congressional District
Episode: Pensions, solidarity, and making polluters pay 💸⚖️ with Brad Lander
Hannah Pingree
Maine public servant and Democratic gubernatorial candidate, former director of the Governor's Office of Policy Innovation and the Future
Governor's Office of Policy Innovation and the Future
Episode: Rewind: What climate leadership looks like in Maine 🌲, with Hannah Pingree
Clara Pratte
Candidate for Arizona Corporation Commission; clean energy entrepreneur; Navajo Nation advocate
Navajo Power; Arizona Corporation Commission candidate
Episode: A critical local election in the sunniest state 🌅 with Clara Pratte
Jamie Henn
Founder/leader involved with 350.org and Fossil Free Media; climate organizer and communicator.
350.org, Fossil Free Media
Episode: Climate villains, TikTokers, grandkids, and the messages that break through 📢 with Jamie Henn
Erin Sprague
CEO of Protect Our Winters
Protect Our Winters
Episode: The Fight for Public Lands 🏕️, with Patagonia + Protect Our Winters

Host

Ayana Elizabeth Johnson
Host who guides conversation and steers toward climate solutions across policy, science, and culture.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 452 ratings
  • Even better than before!

    The show has been good all along. Ayana is and has been a strong and important voice for trying to keep positive in the climate crisis. Now Bill McKibben is her co-host, at least for this season. So the show has twice the voices helping listeners find their path to action while being informed. Well worth the listen.

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    5
    curtsnrt
    United States2 months ago
  • Please keep up the great work

    SO important

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Billybill1984
    United States2 months ago
  • Inspiring eye opener

    Beyond grateful for this platform to give a microphone to such incredible human beings whose life purpose is to help lead the cause to protect our only planet and humanities future.

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    5
    frustatex
    United States2 months ago
  • The Best

    Crucial!

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    5
    user987987988
    United States3 months ago
  • Fantastic Podcast

    A must listen for anyone concerned about their own future, their children’s future, and the planet.

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    United States4 months ago

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Deep sea mining, floating data centers, and a new species of octopus 🐙👷🏻 with Dr. Diva Amon and Ben Wolkon
Q: How did you evaluate deep-sea mining as a potential investment?
Ben Wolkon says the idea is presented as a gentler alternative to terrestrial mining, but the evidence so far suggests significant environmental harm and does not establish a safe approach. He remains opposed unless further studies show that it can be done safely, and points to mineral recycling as a promising alternative.
Deep sea mining, floating data centers, and a new species of octopus 🐙👷🏻 with Dr. Diva Amon and Ben Wolkon
Q: What would deep-sea mining at scale actually mean for the ecosystems where it takes place?
Diva Amon explains that mining vehicles would remove the upper layer of seafloor sediment, disturbing habitat and producing plumes that could affect ecosystems at multiple depths. She cites research in the Clarion-Clipperton Zone where about 90 percent of sampled animals were new to science, and describes risks to biodiversity, fisheries, and the ocean's carbon cycle.
Clean energy transition in the Land of Enchantment 🏜️ with Deb Haaland
Q: What are the big things on the agenda, given that the temperature is going to keep going up here?
Haaland says nature is an ally in addressing climate change and calls for protecting ecosystems and removing invasive, water-intensive species that are not suited to New Mexico's dry climate.
Clean energy transition in the Land of Enchantment 🏜️ with Deb Haaland
Q: How do you think about the energy transition on the campaign trail and on a day-to-day basis?
Haaland says New Mexico should continue moving toward clean energy, clean up legacy pollution, and develop solar, wind, and geothermal power while making existing industries cleaner and more efficient. State law sets a net-zero target for 2050, though she would like to reach it sooner.
Pensions, solidarity, and making polluters pay 💸⚖️ with Brad Lander
Q: So what can happen when you do have legislation for accountability and that funding flows? What was the plan there that we're now going to have to delay at the very least?
Lander says New York's climate goals include a transition to clean energy, and that money from polluters could help residents install heat pumps and solar panels. He also criticizes the rollback of the state climate law.

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A climate-focused interview series that centers on practical solutions and real-world action. Episodes feature policymakers, scientists, business leaders, storytellers, and activists discussing policy levers, technology adoption, and cultural change needed to accelerate climate progress. The host guides conversations with optimism and clarity, translating complex topics into actionable insights for a broad audience. Notable strengths include high-profile guests spanning government, industry, academia, and media, plus a consistent emphasis on tangible steps, equity, and scalable solutions across sectors like energy, housing, agriculture, and fashion.

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