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We tell stories from the fault lines that separate Americans. Peabody Award-winning public radio producer Trey Kay listens to people on both sides of the divide.

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For some Americans home ownership is a way to build wealth for future generations. But West Virginia presents the complexities and nuances of that reality. The Mountain State has the nation’s highest homeownership rate but the second lowest personal ... more

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There are more challenges now for people who live at the intersection of addiction, homelessness and the criminal justice system. New laws in about a dozen states echo aspects of the 2024 Safer Kentucky Act, which enhances penalties for violent crime... more

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Children are often described as the future. But in many rural communities across America, the path to bringing a child into the world is getting longer — sometimes literally. Across the country, families are traveling farther and farther from home to... more

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America’s overdose crisis keeps changing shape.

In recent years, provisional CDC data have shown a sharp national decline in overdose deaths — even as public officials warn the street drug supply remains volatile and some communities see signs of a ... more

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Osteopathic physician and CEO
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National Rural Health Association
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Michael Lipton
Lead guitar player of the Mountain Stage Band and director of the Hall of Fame
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Pastor David Friesen
Retired university vice president, ordained minister, and political activist.
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Lead singer and sax player for The Carpenter Ants
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Host

Trey Kay
Host of Us & Them, published content exploring fault lines in American society.

Reviews

4.6 out of 5 stars from 438 ratings
  • One of my favorite pods

    Us and Them has continue to be one of my favorite podcasts. It’s very informative, the topics covered are very interesting, and I love that the host gives you a true wide range of perspectives without it being heavily one sided or judgmental. I always look forward to new episodes.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Kasslea
    United States2 years ago
  • Five Star

    This podcast continues to be one of the most informative and important on my playlist. I always feel like sharing episodes to ppl I know with the hopes of fostering good discussion and tending to our nations divi visions. So good and worth your time.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    cmcveigh23
    United States2 years ago
  • So glad I found this

    I am so glad to have stumbled across this podcast. It has a unique way of looking at both sides and them connecting them. We really aren’t all that different are we?

    Apple Podcasts
    4
    Jcmaidens
    United States4 years ago
  • Great how multiple viewpoints are considered in each episode. The podcast calmly explores different sides and in this enables us to broaden our thinking. Thank you for your work!

    Podcast Addict
    5
    Candida Oxford
    4 years ago
  • Glad to have found Us & Them

    Not only is Us & Them very engaging and an interesting podcast to listen to, but I am surprised by the multiple ways of looking at the topics. It’s not just black & white, but in-between too. Even though it can be hard to listen to some of the guests, they exist and it’s healthy for us all to try to keep our minds open. Thanks Trey Kay for your great work!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    SequoiasOutBack
    United States5 years ago

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Listeners praise thoughtful, well-researched storytelling with diverse perspectives.
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Fans value the host's balanced approach and empathetic interviewing style.

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Us & Them Encore: Substance Use Disorder — Can You Recover Without A Place To Call Home?
Q: What has been the practical impact of the Safer Kentucky Act on unhoused people in Louisville?
While some see the act as a necessary push toward treatment, others describe it as criminalizing homelessness and creating new barriers to stable housing, with real consequences on access to services and safety.
Us & Them: The Mythology Of Crime Stats
Q: So, how are crime statistics wielded to bolster these two approaches?
Ineptly, unprofessionally and malevolently, if I pronounce that correctly.
Us & Them: The Mythology Of Crime Stats
Q: But you were mentioning kind of an experience that you had with a wing of the Biden administration.
The Trump administration is directing federal resources toward addressing crime in places like Washington, DC, California, Tennessee, and perhaps Chicago and Baltimore. And yet, others have noted that the crime rates, specifically violent crime, is down.
Us & Them: Rebuilding Justice In A Divided America
Q: What distinguishes the Trump era of authoritarian populism from earlier versions of conservative law and order politics?
The Trump administration lacks concern for local autonomy, insisting that communities handle criminal justice as long as it aligns with their desires.
Us & Them: Rebuilding Justice In A Divided America
Q: How does the polarized America impact our criminal justice system?
The advanced criminal justice policies likely to fail and cause needless suffering because they lack broad support across the political spectrum.

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