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Welcome to PSI’s Tried and Tested Podcast, hosted by Isabelle Gonthier. Tune in every other Thursday for expert conversations on testing, credentialing, and assessment. Each episode explores industry trends, practical insights, and the real work behind high stakes testing, featuring leaders and practitioners shaping the future of the assessment industry.

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In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP, speaks with Tim Muckle, PhD, ICE-CCP, Chief Assessment Officer at the National Board of Certification and Recertification for Nurse Anesthetists, about longitudinal assessment... more

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In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP, speaks with Dr. Kristen DiCerbo, Chief Learning Officer at Khan Academy and one of Time’s top 100 people influencing the future of AI in 2024. Drawing on her background in sch... more

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As assessment programs confront increasingly sophisticated fraud and rapid advances in Artificial Intelligence, protecting trust and integrity has never been more complex. In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP sits... more

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In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD,- ICE CCP, Chief Assessment Officer at PSI and ETS, sits down with Jenn McNamara, Vice President of Strategic Products and Partnerships at BreakAway Games. Recorded live at the ATP Conf... more

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This is our 50th episode of Tried & Tested and we’re marking the milestone with a conversation about what may be one of the biggest questions facing the workforce right now: how do people prove what they can do as change accelerates? Host Isabelle Go... more

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As questions around remote testing and test security continue to surface across the assessment landscape, how can programs move beyond perception and focus on evidence? In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier is joined by Paul Gol... more

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In this special HiSET edition of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP welcomes vice president of the HiSET program Tanya Guerrero Haug, who sits down with Wyvonne Stevens‑Carter, Associate Commissioner for Public Adult Education at ... more

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In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP, speaks with Ashok Sarathy, Vice President of Assessment Products at GMAC, about the evolving role of assessment in global graduate management education. Drawing on more than t... more

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Kristen DiCerbo
Chief Learning Officer
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Episode: What AI Changes About Assessment Evidence: Insights with Khan Academy’s Kristen DiCerbo
Paul Muir
Chief Customer Officer at RisER; Chair of the ATP Board (2026)
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Episode: Test Security, Agentic AI, and the Future of Assessment with Paul Muir from risr/
Jenn McNamara
Vice President, Serious Games and Strategic Partnerships
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Episode: Serious Games and Authentic Assessment with Jenn McNamara from BreakAway Games
Libby Rodney
Chief Strategy Officer at The Harris Poll
The Harris Poll
Episode: Libby Rodney from The Harris Poll on the 2026 ETS Human Progress Report: Adaptability, Credentials & Opportunity
Paul Gollash
SVP of TOEFL and GRE at ETS
ETS
Episode: Closing the Modality Gap: How TOEFL Built Trust in Remote Testing
Wally Dalrymple
Chief Security Officer at PSI and ETS
PSI / ETS
Episode: Closing the Modality Gap: How TOEFL Built Trust in Remote Testing
Wyvonne Stevens-Carter
Associate Commissioner for Massachusetts Department of Elementary and Secondary Education (Public Adult Education)
Massachusetts Department of Elementary and Secondary Education
Episode: Policy, Partnership, and Access: Massachusetts’ Approach to Adult Education
Ashok Sarathy
Vice President of Product Management
GMAC
Episode: The Future of Graduate Admissions and Assessment: Insights from GMAC’s Ashok Sarathy
Jeremy Carter
CEO of SentiraXR
SentiraXR
Episode: Reimagining Performance-Based Assessment with Immersive Simulation: A Conversation with SentiraXR’s Jeremy Carter

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The Rising Threat of Biometric Fraud: Insights with Entrust’s Ian Cartledge
Q: What trends do you expect to influence credentialing and testing in the coming years?
A layered identity-centric strategy that combines liveness, motion analysis, biometric binding to documents, and modular tools to reduce friction while maintaining strong security, enabling scalable, secure testing across diverse programs and industries.
The Rising Threat of Biometric Fraud: Insights with Entrust’s Ian Cartledge
Q: How does Entrust's Identity Verification approach integrate into the lifecycle of an assessment—from onboarding to post-exam validation?
The registration baseline ties the individual to government-issued IDs and biographic/biometric data; as the test progresses, repeat verifications and non-friction background checks ensure the same person is progressing while allowing tests to run smoothly for legitimate users.
The Rising Threat of Biometric Fraud: Insights with Entrust’s Ian Cartledge
Q: What are the risks created by more organized cheating rings, and how can credentialing and assessment organizations stay ahead of this threat?
Fraudsters can purchase ready-made kits, create credential dumps, and deploy AI-powered deepfakes; the response is to combine human oversight with professional defenses, including liveness checks, irregular checks, environment analysis, and a modular, layered identity verification system that can be applied at various points in the lifecycle to deter impersonation and unauthorized access.
Building Connection and the Business Value of HR Certification
Q: How has this evolved over the past few years, and what progress is exciting right now in how organizations invest in talent through certification?
The guest explains that organizations increasingly view certification as a strategic asset to upskill, align talent with future needs, and quantify impact through longitudinal studies showing links to performance, pay, and reduced risk, while AI and global standards are shaping new competencies and measures.
The Future of Digital Assessment: Innovation, AI & Sustainability with Geoff Chapman
Q: From your perspective, how might conversations around the Curriculum and Assessment Review influence the future of digital assessment while balancing innovation with costs and sustainability?
The guest explains that CAR has not fully represented the digital assessment voice and argues for a separate, detailed assessment review. He cites examples from Wales of digitally delivered formative assessments and stresses the need to learn from international experiences to inform scalable, adaptive digital solutions.

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This show centers on high-stakes testing, credentialing, and assessments, drawing from industry leaders and practitioners to unpack trends, security, policy, and practical implementation. Recent episodes spotlight serious games in authentic assessment, credentialing ecosystems and workforce readiness, securing remote testing and modality trust, state approaches to adult education, and evolving graduate admissions. Listeners likely include education and workforce professionals who value data-driven insights, practical strategies, and cross-industry perspectives on how assessment shapes opportunity, mobility, and trust in high-stakes environments. A noteworthy strength is the breadth of guest expertise—from game-based assessment to policy and... more

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