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Welcome to PSI’s Tried and Tested Podcast, hosted by Isabelle Gonthier. Tune in every other Thursday for expert conversations on testing, credentialing, and assessment. Each episode explores industry trends, practical insights, and the real work behind high stakes testing, featuring leaders and practitioners shaping the future of the assessment industry.

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In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD-ICE-CCP, speaks with Dr. Joseph Emmanuel, Chief Executive and Secretary of the Council for the Indian School Certificate Examinations, about the role of assessment in shaping student le... more

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In this special episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP visits the Entrust Fraud Lab for a closer look at how identity fraud is evolving and what it means for high-stakes testing. This video-first episode takes viewers insid... more

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In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP speaks with Matthew Barrell, Environmental, Social, and Governance Manager at PSI, about ESG, social value, and the future of assessment. Based in the UK, Matthew leads PSI’s E... more

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In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP, speaks with Angela Macauley, PMP, President and CEO of the National Board for Certification in Occupational Therapy, about workforce demand, candidate pipelines, and the role ... more

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In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP speaks with Chad Buckendahl, PhD, ICE-CCP, Managing Partner at ACS Ventures, about how assessment, credentials, and workforce readiness can be better connected across the learn... more

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In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP speaks with Haley Vanness, CAE, ICE-CCP, CMP, AAiP, Vice President of Water Professionals International, about WPI’s journey toward building trust in AI adoption. Drawing on he... more

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In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP speaks with Pam Young Brown, a product strategy consultant working at the intersection of skills assessment, credentialing, and workforce development. Drawing on her experience... more

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In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP speaks with Stephen G. Sireci, Ph.D., Distinguished Professor and Executive Director of the Center for Educational Assessment at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, about ... more

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Joseph Emmanuel
Chief Executive and Secretary of the Council for the Indian School Certificate Examinations
Council for the Indian School Certificate Examinations
Episode: Rethinking School Assessment at Scale with CISCE’s Dr. Joseph Emmanuel
Simon Horswell
Entrust fraud solution specialist with more than 25 years of identity document security experience.
Entrust
Episode: Inside the Entrust Fraud Lab: The Evolution of Identity Fraud in Testing
Matthew Barrell
Environmental Social and Governance Manager at PSI
PSI Services
Episode: What Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG) Means for Assessment: Social Value, Access, and Impact
Angela Macauley
President and CEO of the National Board for Certification in Occupational Therapy (NBCOT)
NBCOT
Episode: Reaching the Future Workforce: Messaging, Value, and Candidate Demand with NBCOT’s Angela Macauley
Chad Buckendahl
Founding partner at ACS Ventures
ACS Ventures
Episode: From School to Skills: Rethinking Assessment, Credentials, and Workforce Readiness with Chad Buckendahl
Haley Vanness
Vice President at Water Professionals International (WPI)
Water Professionals International
Episode: Start Small, Build Trust, Scale Up: WPI’s Approach to AI in Credentialing
Pam Young Brown
Product strategist and consultant focusing on credentialing and workforce development
Episode: Taking the Future of Credentialing from Conversation to Practice with Pam Young Brown
Stephen Sireci
Distinguished Professor at University of Massachusetts Amherst
UMass Amherst
Episode: AI and the New Challenges Facing Educational Testing with UMass Amherst’s Stephen Sireci
Maria Spies
Co-founder of HolonIQ, Chief Innovation Officer at QS
HolonIQ, QS
Episode: Global Learning, AI, and the Future of Workforce Readiness with Maria Spies of HolonIQ and QS

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Rethinking School Assessment at Scale with CISCE’s Dr. Joseph Emmanuel
Q: What is the main purpose of this, and how do we move towards a more holistic view of the student progress?
Emmanuel says PARAKH is intended to establish common assessment standards across India's school boards and support consistent measurement of learning. It can also help build stakeholder capacity and evaluate teacher training, school quality, and assessment practices.
Rethinking School Assessment at Scale with CISCE’s Dr. Joseph Emmanuel
Q: What makes assessment so important, and why is it often one of the most challenging part of education?
Emmanuel says assessment should go beyond segregating students by marks and instead help promote learning, identify abilities and potential, and guide students' future paths. He says the current emphasis on rote learning and scores needs to change.
Inside the Entrust Fraud Lab: The Evolution of Identity Fraud in Testing
Q: How should assessment organizations prepare as these attacks continue to evolve?
They should monitor the threat landscape, work with verification vendors where useful, avoid complacency, and build overlapping layers of defense across their infrastructure.
Inside the Entrust Fraud Lab: The Evolution of Identity Fraud in Testing
Q: What does happen in a fraud lab, and why is it important to study fraud techniques in a controlled environment?
The lab researches attacks, monitors relevant online channels, and reproduces techniques in controlled conditions to identify useful signals and train machine-learning models without experiencing live losses.
Reaching the Future Workforce: Messaging, Value, and Candidate Demand with NBCOT’s Angela Macauley
Q: What are the biggest shifts credentialing organizations need to pay attention to right now?
The conversation highlights the enrollment cliff, rising education costs, Gen Z and Gen Alpha expectations, and the need to understand both education and workforce trends beyond internal data, emphasizing multi-stakeholder collaboration to adapt pathways and ensure readiness without compromising safety.

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What is Tried and Tested Podcast about and what kind of topics does it cover?

The show centers on testing, credentialing, and assessment, often pairing industry leaders with practitioners to unpack how high-stakes evaluation is evolving. Recent topics span credentialing ecosystems, AI-driven assessment, security and privacy, measurement validity, and the shift from episodic exams to longitudinal and continuous certification. Episodes frequently highlight practical governance, user trust, and real-world implementation—covering everything from micro-credentials and lifelong learning to global education trends and policy implications. The format tends to blend strategic perspective with hands-on lessons, making it useful for anyone involved in program design, security, or workforce readiness who wants actionable takeawa... more

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