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Welcome to PSI’s Tried and Tested Podcast, hosted by Isabelle Gonthier. Tune in every other Thursday for expert conversations on testing, credentialing, and assessment. Each episode explores industry trends, practical insights, and the real work behind high stakes testing, featuring leaders and practitioners shaping the future of the assessment industry.

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In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP speaks with Stephen G. Sireci, Ph.D., Distinguished Professor and Executive Director of the Center for Educational Assessment at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, about ... more

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In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP, speaks with Maria Spies, Co-Founder of HolonIQ and Chief Innovation Officer at QS, about global learning, AI, and the future of workforce readiness. Drawing on more than 25 ye... more

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In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP, speaks with Tim Muckle, PhD, ICE-CCP, Chief Assessment Officer at the National Board of Certification and Recertification for Nurse Anesthetists, about longitudinal assessment... more

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In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP, speaks with Dr. Kristen DiCerbo, Chief Learning Officer at Khan Academy and one of Time’s top 100 people influencing the future of AI in 2024. Drawing on her background in sch... more

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As assessment programs confront increasingly sophisticated fraud and rapid advances in Artificial Intelligence, protecting trust and integrity has never been more complex. In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP sits... more

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In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD,- ICE CCP, Chief Assessment Officer at PSI and ETS, sits down with Jenn McNamara, Vice President of Strategic Products and Partnerships at BreakAway Games. Recorded live at the ATP Conf... more

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This is our 50th episode of Tried & Tested and we’re marking the milestone with a conversation about what may be one of the biggest questions facing the workforce right now: how do people prove what they can do as change accelerates? Host Isabelle Go... more

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As questions around remote testing and test security continue to surface across the assessment landscape, how can programs move beyond perception and focus on evidence? In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier is joined by Paul Gol... more

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Stephen Sireci
Distinguished Professor at University of Massachusetts Amherst
UMass Amherst
Episode: AI and the New Challenges Facing Educational Testing with UMass Amherst’s Stephen Sireci
Maria Spies
Co-founder of HolonIQ, Chief Innovation Officer at QS
HolonIQ, QS
Episode: Global Learning, AI, and the Future of Workforce Readiness with Maria Spies of HolonIQ and QS
Tim Muckle
Chief Assessment Officer, Nbcrna
National Board of Certification and Recertification for Nurse Anesthetists (Nbcrna)
Episode: From Point-in-Time Testing to Continuous Certification: Insights with NBCRNA’s Tim Muckle
Kristen DiCerbo
Chief Learning Officer
Khan Academy
Episode: What AI Changes About Assessment Evidence: Insights with Khan Academy’s Kristen DiCerbo
Paul Muir
Chief Customer Officer at RisER; Chair of the ATP Board (2026)
RisER; ATP
Episode: Test Security, Agentic AI, and the Future of Assessment with Paul Muir from risr/
Jenn McNamara
Vice President, Serious Games and Strategic Partnerships
BreakAway Games
Episode: Serious Games and Authentic Assessment with Jenn McNamara from BreakAway Games
Libby Rodney
Chief Strategy Officer at The Harris Poll
The Harris Poll
Episode: Libby Rodney from The Harris Poll on the 2026 ETS Human Progress Report: Adaptability, Credentials & Opportunity
Paul Gollash
SVP of TOEFL and GRE at ETS
ETS
Episode: Closing the Modality Gap: How TOEFL Built Trust in Remote Testing
Wally Dalrymple
Chief Security Officer at PSI and ETS
PSI / ETS
Episode: Closing the Modality Gap: How TOEFL Built Trust in Remote Testing

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Isabelle Gonthier
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AI and the New Challenges Facing Educational Testing with UMass Amherst’s Stephen Sireci
Q: What has shaped your perspective on where credentialing needs to go next or assessment in a broader sense?
The field should move toward using assessments not only to certify learning but also to actively support learning, with a focus on personalization, culturally responsive practices, and real-time adaptation while preserving standardization where it matters for validity and public safety.
Global Learning, AI, and the Future of Workforce Readiness with Maria Spies of HolonIQ and QS
Q: How did you first get involved in global education and workforce learning?
Maria explains a long career at the nexus of workforce, formal education, and technology, starting with distance learning for working adults and gradually integrating EdTech into post-secondary contexts.
The Power and Promise of Micro Credentials: Flexible Learning for a Changing World with Johnna Gueorguieva
Q: How should organizations and regulators approach quality and standardization in this space?
Quality is crucial; rely on accredited programs and established standards (like NCCA/ISO foundations) and be cautious of unverified offerings. As the field matures, there will be more standardized rubrics and regulatory recognition to ensure portability and public protection while still allowing flexibility for learners.
The Power and Promise of Micro Credentials: Flexible Learning for a Changing World with Johnna Gueorguieva
Q: What is driving the renewed interest in micro-credentials now, and how can they be applied across professions?
The resurgence is tied to a flexible, accessible approach to skill-building that fits diverse career paths. Micro-credentials can target bite-sized competencies, support workforce upskilling, and offer portable recognition that complements traditional pathways, especially in areas like healthcare where staffing shortages demand rapid upskilling.
The Rising Threat of Biometric Fraud: Insights with Entrust’s Ian Cartledge
Q: What trends do you expect to influence credentialing and testing in the coming years?
A layered identity-centric strategy that combines liveness, motion analysis, biometric binding to documents, and modular tools to reduce friction while maintaining strong security, enabling scalable, secure testing across diverse programs and industries.

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This show centers on high-stakes testing, credentialing, and assessments, drawing from industry leaders and practitioners to unpack trends, security, policy, and practical implementation. Recent episodes spotlight serious games in authentic assessment, credentialing ecosystems and workforce readiness, securing remote testing and modality trust, state approaches to adult education, and evolving graduate admissions. Listeners likely include education and workforce professionals who value data-driven insights, practical strategies, and cross-industry perspectives on how assessment shapes opportunity, mobility, and trust in high-stakes environments. A noteworthy strength is the breadth of guest expertise—from game-based assessment to policy and... more

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