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The SWAPA Number

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Southwest Airlines
Collective Bargaining Agreement
Contract 2020
401K
CBA
Aviation
FAA
Profit Sharing
Vacation Bidding
Scheduling
Contract Administration
Nashville
Mental Health
Retirement Accounts
Long-Term Disability
Market-Based Cash Balance Plan
Open Enrollment
SWAPA App
Contract AI

In each podcast we explore a number that will help us explain an issue that matters to our Pilots. This might be a scheduling metric, a Company financial number that impacts us, or anything else that has significance to us as SWAPA Pilots.

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Today's SWAPA Number is 365. That's the number of days of the year that you're probably thinking about your schedule. Whether that's for a minute or several hours, it's always on our minds. Contract 2020 was designed to operate with all of the new sc... more

Welcome back to the Contract 2029 Survey, Educate and Poll series. I'm Tony Mulhare with SWAPA Communications, and today I'm joined by negotiating committee chair Kurt Heidemann, as well as committee member Jacob Thomas. Today's discussion will focus... more

In this episode of the Contract 2029 Survey, Educate, and Poll Series, host Tony Mulhare is joined by Tony Caparella, Debi Shields, Damian Jennette, and retiring SWAPA IT Director Will Young. The discussion focuses on retirement and benefits planning... more

Welcome back to the Contract 2029 Survey Education and Poll Series. Today we are relaunching the Contract 2020 TA Education podcast on Section 3: Expenses, which was originally recorded in December 2023.

Most of that conversation between NC Chair Ku... more

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Recent Guests

Eric Gavin
Scheduling and analytics chair, SAC chair (guest)
Southwest Airlines Pilots Association (SWAPA)
Episode: 365 (SAC, Scott Plyler, Eric Gavin, Meagan Nelan)
Kurt Heidemann
Negotiating Committee Chair
SWAPA Negotiating Committee
Episode: Retirement and Expenses | Contract 2029 SEP Education
Jacob Thomas
Committee Member
SWAPA Negotiating Committee
Episode: Retirement and Expenses | Contract 2029 SEP Education
Tony Caparella
Benefits representative
SWAPA Benefits
Episode: Retirement | Contract 2029 SEP Education
Jon Ross
Captain, chair of the Professional Standards Committee
Southwest Airlines
Episode: 3 (Professional Standards, Jon Ross)
Dave Kudish
Contract Admin Committee Chair
SWAPA
Episode: 10 (Executive Town Hall)
Megan Nealon
Manager
SWAPA
Episode: 10 (Executive Town Hall)
Jody Revin
President of SWAPA
SWAPA
Episode: 10 (Executive Town Hall)
Kevin Hornberg
Vice President of SWAPA
SWAPA
Episode: 10 (Executive Town Hall)

Hosts

Matt McCants
Host and Communications Committee Chair; frequent moderator and explainer of complex SWAPA topics.
Amy Robinson
Host and Co-host; leads discussions on contracts, education, and member outreach.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 233 ratings
  • Great informative podcast

    First of all thank you guys for putting this together . It is very informative and easy to digest , even for me , a slow learner :)

    Thank again

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Mr Husky
    United States2 years ago
  • Keep them coming!

    Great information and insight into a process that is foreign to a lot of us but will deeply impact all our lives going forward!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Smith12345678912
    United States3 years ago
  • Luv it!

    Excellent episode! Very funny! Love Amy’s F-bomb rant. Kirk and Amy are great they way they feed off each other.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Privateaviator
    United States3 years ago
  • Thanks

    Appreciate everyone’s work on these

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Capsmooth82
    United States4 years ago
  • Lots of great information

    Thanks for doing these, especially as often as you do. I learn so much from every presentation. It helps me to be an informed union member.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Phat Pat7
    United States5 years ago

Listeners Say

Key themes from listener reviews, highlighting what works and what could be improved about the show.

Guests and hosts are praised for clarity and engaging discussions on complex topics.
Greatly value data-driven updates and transparency in negotiations.
Listeners find episodes informative and accessible, with practical guidance on contracts and benefits.

Talking Points

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365 (SAC, Scott Plyler, Eric Gavin, Meagan Nelan)
Q: How have vacation rules changed the scheduling landscape for both senior and junior pilots?
Vacation shifts allow weekdays to replace weekend lines for seniors and vice versa for juniors, improving overall overlap, pay, and quality of life, with caveats around holiday periods and ongoing monitoring of cost and scheduling balance.
365 (SAC, Scott Plyler, Eric Gavin, Meagan Nelan)
Q: What has been the biggest practical impact of Contract 2020 on scheduling tools like Open Time and ELIT?
Open Time Priority has become more user-driven and predictable with automated systems, increasing pilot control and LG eligibility, while ELIT has expanded trading flexibility through Reserve ELIT and direct drops, though it requires ongoing adjustments and education.
10 (Executive Town Hall)
Q: What is the plan to fix ELECT and why did Baltimore see negative numbers at ELIT opening?
The issue is driven more by inventory levels and vacation overlap than red-eye domicile days; once vacations and inventory normalize and red-eye reserves come online, the negative impact should lessen.
3 (Professional Standards, Jon Ross)
Q: What is the Me-We-You framework and how should pilots use it in a tough pairing?
Me-We-You is a three-phase approach: start with self-communication to explain how a change would help you, then have a respectful conversation to address team issues, and finally escalate to safety-based actions if the problem persists.
3 (Professional Standards, Jon Ross)
Q: What does your committee do, and why is it important for the membership?
The committee focuses on making flights safer and more professional by taking care of each other, mediating conflicts at the lowest level, and protecting crew cohesion to support safety and performance.

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The show concentrates on SWAPA-related topics, frequently revolving around contract negotiations, benefits, scheduling, safety, and IT initiatives. Episodes blend practical guidance for pilots with strategic discussions led by union leaders, committee chairs, and industry experts, often comparing SWAPA's framework to broader aviation trends. A standout angle is the frequent inclusion of data-driven updates, polling, and clear explanations of policy changes, making complex contract language accessible and actionable for members and potential guests alike.

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