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The SWAPA Number

SWAPA
SWAPA
Southwest Airlines
Collective Bargaining Agreement
Contract 2020
401K
CBA
Aviation
FAA
Scheduling
Vacation Bidding
Contract Administration
Nashville
Mental Health
Retirement Accounts
Long-Term Disability
Profit Sharing
Open Enrollment
SWAPA App
Jumpseat
SWAPA Constitution

In each podcast we explore a number that will help us explain an issue that matters to our Pilots. This might be a scheduling metric, a Company financial number that impacts us, or anything else that has significance to us as SWAPA Pilots.

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Join host Amy Robinson, Matt McCants, and guest Amanda Burford, SWAPA’s Hotels Liaison, for a discussion on crew accommodations as part of the Contract 2029 Education Series. This episode covers key insights into hotel policies, processes, and the ro... more

Today's SWAPA Number is 4.6 as in 4.6%. That was Southwest Airlines operating margin in the first quarter of 2026. That's the best first quarter margin that the company has produced since before the pandemic. So today, we'll take a look at the compan... more

Welcome back to the Contract 2029 SEP Education Series. This episode builds on recent scheduling education tied to a potential new fleet, focusing on key points due to time limits. Members from SWAPA, APA, and Delta ALPA discuss long‑haul widebody sc... more

Welcome back to the Contract 2029 Education Series as we continue our focus on scope. The first four lessons reviewed Section 1 basics, current airline partnerships, differences between Southwest and other airline scope, and common FAQs. Those resour... more

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Recent Guests

Amanda Burford
SWAPA's hotels liaison with the Crew Accommodations Board (CAB)
SWAPA
Episode: Hotels | Contract 2029 SEP Education
Andy Weingrahm
Captain on the Airbus, APA Scheduling Committee member
Allied Pilots Association
Episode: Long Haul Scheduling Roundtable with APA and Delta/ALPA | Contract 2029 SEP Education
Mikhail Landau
Deputy chair of the APA scheduling committee, 777 first officer
Allied Pilots Association
Episode: Long Haul Scheduling Roundtable with APA and Delta/ALPA | Contract 2029 SEP Education
Mike Curley
Delta Airlines, Delta Scheduling Committee member
Delta Air Lines
Episode: Long Haul Scheduling Roundtable with APA and Delta/ALPA | Contract 2029 SEP Education
Ryan Harvey
Delta Scheduling Committee member
Delta Air Lines
Episode: Long Haul Scheduling Roundtable with APA and Delta/ALPA | Contract 2029 SEP Education
Kurt Heidemann
Negotiating Committee Chair
SWAPA
Episode: New Fleet | Contract 2029 SEP Education
Damian Jeanette
Retirement guru and negotiating subject matter expert
SWAPA
Episode: 1.1% (Profit Sharing, Damian Jennette)
Emanuel Prince
First Officer at Southwest Airlines, grew up in Chicago
Southwest Airlines
Episode: 2 (From the Jumpseat, Emanuel Prince, Jared Savage)
Jared Savage
First Officer at Southwest Airlines, grew up in Compton, California
Southwest Airlines
Episode: 2 (From the Jumpseat, Emanuel Prince, Jared Savage)

Hosts

Tony Mulhair
Host with SWAPA involvement and strong experiential knowledge in discussions and guiding conversations
Matt McCants
Co-host providing detailed explanations and examples; leading discussions and education segments

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 232 ratings
  • Great informative podcast

    First of all thank you guys for putting this together . It is very informative and easy to digest , even for me , a slow learner :)

    Thank again

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Mr Husky
    United States2 years ago
  • Keep them coming!

    Great information and insight into a process that is foreign to a lot of us but will deeply impact all our lives going forward!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Smith12345678912
    United States3 years ago
  • Luv it!

    Excellent episode! Very funny! Love Amy’s F-bomb rant. Kirk and Amy are great they way they feed off each other.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Privateaviator
    United States3 years ago
  • Thanks

    Appreciate everyone’s work on these

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Capsmooth82
    United States3 years ago
  • Lots of great information

    Thanks for doing these, especially as often as you do. I learn so much from every presentation. It helps me to be an informed union member.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Phat Pat7
    United States5 years ago

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Clear, data-driven discussions on complex topics.
Listeners appreciate education segments and actionable takeaways for negotiations and scheduling.

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Scope and Section 1 FAQs | Contract 2029 SEP Education
Q: What is scope and why is it important?
Scope defines who can fly Southwest aircraft and passengers, protecting jobs by limiting outsourcing and ensuring the core brand flying remains on the Southwest pilots' seniority list.
14% (401K, Mike Haynes, Kevin Sheth)
Q: What happens to the Roth catch up money if they don't choose an investment?
It will default to the capital group target date retirement fund closest to your retirement age of 65.
14% (401K, Mike Haynes, Kevin Sheth)
Q: Can pilots split that 80% between pre-tax and Roth?
Yes, they can, just the sum of the two cannot exceed 80%.
14% (401K, Mike Haynes, Kevin Sheth)
Q: So talk a little bit about the timing on this. I know some pilots have probably already done this, but go through when they can make the changes and when it hits their paychecks.
Changes made between January 10th and January 24th are effective on the February 5th paycheck; changes made on the 25th to the 9th of the following month are effective on the 20th paycheck.
The SWAPA Ride Report: Deadhead Self-Release, Training Move Up Preference and Contract Q&A
Q: Am I guaranteed the full value of both trips if I bid for a pairing that starts on the same day another pairing ends?
Yes, any award, including extra fly picked up off reserve, guarantees the original value of the award.

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What is The SWAPA Number about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show centers on aviation labor, economics, and contract negotiations from SWAPA's perspective, with episodes frequently featuring pilots, committee members, and industry partners analyzing financial results, scheduling practices, retirement benefits, and contract language. Listeners get practical breakdowns of metrics, pricing levers, and policy changes that affect daily work, pay, and career trajectories, along with behind-the-scenes insights into negotiations and governance. A standout aspect is the consistent blend of technical detail (PDUs, scope, 401(k) plans) with real-world implications for pilots, making it valuable for members, industry observers, and potential guest experts who want a data-driven, member-focused discussion.

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