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ISDA
Risk Management
Artificial Intelligence
Derivatives Market
Derivatives
Tokenization
Non-Bank Financial Intermediation
Geopolitical Risk
Economic Growth
Basel III
Financial Services
Operational Efficiency
Financial Stability
Pension Funds
Mortgage Lending
Boston Consulting Group
US Treasury Clearing
US Treasury Market
Regulation
Transparency

Take a walk into the world of derivatives, as ISDA explores developments in financial markets, risk management, regulation and technology. Featuring interviews with top experts in trading, policy, risk and economics, The Swap asks why the issues that matter actually matter.

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This year’s ISDA Annual General Meeting featured discussions on the growth of digital assets and tokenized collateral, how AI is being used in financial services and changes to the regulatory framework. The Swap looks back at the conversations.

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As the Clarity Act works its way through Congress, US regulators are evolving their approach to digital assets. SEC commissioner Hester Peirce joins The Swap to talk about crypto regulation, Treasury clearing and artificial intelligence.

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With less than nine months to go until the first US Treasury clearing mandates come into force, BlackRock’s Tyler Wellensiek and BNY’s Nate Wuerffel discuss industry progress.

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Tokenization has the potential to bring much-needed efficiency and flexibility to collateral management. Sandy Kaul from Franklin Templeton and the DTCC’s Joseph Spiro talk about the opportunities and the path to broader adoption.

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Recent Guests

Hester Peirce
SEC Commissioner, leader of the Crypto Task Force
U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission
Episode: Clarity on Crypto
Tyler Wellensiek
Formerly board member, managing director and global head of market structure at BlackRock
BlackRock
Episode: Countdown to Treasury Clearing
Nate Wuerffel
Global head of market structure and head of product for global collateral at BNY
BNY Mellon
Episode: Countdown to Treasury Clearing
Sandy Kaul
Head of Innovation at Franklin Templeton
Franklin Templeton
Episode: Tokenization in Derivatives Markets
Joe Spiro
Digital Assets Product Director at DTCC
DTCC
Episode: Tokenization in Derivatives Markets
Amy Hong
ISDA chair, head of strategy, investments, and partnerships for global banking and markets for Goldman Sachs
Goldman Sachs
Episode: A Modernization Agenda
Rodrigo Buenaventura
Secretary General of IOSCO
IOSCO
Episode: The IOSCO Agenda
Don Wilson
Founder and CEO of DRW, a proprietary trading firm.
DRW
Episode: Innovative Thinking
Chris Edmonds
President of Fixed Income and Data Services at ICE
Intercontinental Exchange
Episode: Trading Places

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Nick Sawyer
Host of The Swap Podcast

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 31 ratings
  • Informative and concise

    The interview-format with industry leaders (public and private) leads to insightful conversations. I have found it difficult to find podcasts on finance at this level of detail and technicality that aren’t overwhelming, but The Swap strikes the perfect balance.

    Only wish there are more episodes available!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    _zana
    South Africa5 years ago

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Technical depth balanced with actionable takeaways for practitioners
Industry-leading access to top policy and market-structure minds
Guests span regulators, banks, and market infrastructures
High-quality, credible conversations that appeal to sponsors and guests alike

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A Modernization Agenda
Q: How does the board want to see engagement with policymakers regarding the regulatory framework?
We want ISDA to advocate for a regulatory regime that is efficient, avoids unnecessary complexity, and supports economic growth.
A Modernization Agenda
Q: What do you think ISDA's role should be in this space of digital assets and stable coins?
ISDA is focusing on legal certainty and standard documentation for digital asset derivatives, and we will continue that approach.
A Modernization Agenda
Q: How do you see the role of ISDA evolving as derivative markets continue to digitize, and how do we embrace new technology?
ISDA is already doing a lot to create industry standards and drive legal and regulatory certainty while developing mutualized solutions for the industry.
A Modernization Agenda
Q: What are your priorities as chair, and how does success look to you?
My top priority is to uphold ISDA's mission to foster safe and efficient derivatives markets, which will remain our North Star.
Innovative Thinking
Q: How does ISDA plan to support the safe and efficient use of digital assets?
ISDA aims to highlight differences in tokenized collateral and assess the legal and regulatory frameworks necessary to facilitate their safe use in transactions.

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A deep-docus on the evolution of derivatives markets, market structure, regulation, and financial technology. Episodes frequently center on tokenization, cross-border clearance, and the integration of digital assets into traditional finance, with guests from leading institutions discussing regulatory priorities, risk management, and the infrastructure shaping modern markets. Noteworthy elements include a steady focus on interoperability across platforms, the move toward 24/7 settlement, and practical implications of Basel III endgame for liquidity and collateral. The show tends to attract industry professionals seeking detailed, practitioner-focused insights from regulators, banks, asset managers, and market infrastructure providers.

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