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Endurance, strength, and long-term health in all its forms. The Next Move features conversations with athletes, coaches, scientists, and thinkers exploring how to train, think, and live better. By John Paton - @johngetstrong johngetstrong.substack.com

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Lydia O’Donnell is a New Zealand 10K national champion, a 20th-place finisher at the New York City Marathon and the founder of FEMMI, a running app built specifically for women.

In this episode, Lydia shares how years of underfueling, overtraining a... more

Carolyn Watkins finished fourth at the HYROX North American Regional Championships—just 12 seconds from the podium—despite tearing her hip labrum and spending two months unable to run during the build-up.

In this episode, Carolyn explains how SkiErg... more

Ronan Lindsay is one of the fastest HYROX athletes yet to qualify for the Elite 15, with several sub-57-minute performances—including a 55:58 in London and a 56:19 in Vienna

In this episode, Ronan explains how he transformed his performance by incre... more

In this episode, Dan Plews returns for a deep dive into fatigue and recovery, clarifying the difference between functional overreaching, non-functional overreaching, and true overtraining. He breaks down the key warning signs to watch for—including c... more

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Recent Guests

Lydia O'Donnell
Elite runner, founder of Femmi
Femmi
Episode: “I Sacrificed Years of Performance by Not Eating Enough”—How Lydia O’Donnell Broke Every PB (#34)
Carolyn Watkins
HYROX elite competitor and PhD student in chemistry
HYROX athlete and PhD student at University
Episode: “For the First Month, It Was Only the SkiErg”—How Carolyn Watkins Finished 4th in HYROX North America (#33)
Ronan Lindsay
Episode: “I’ve Got a Treadmill in My Kitchen”—How a Father of Four Became a Sub-56 HYROX Athlete (Ronan Lindsay #32)
Dan Plews
Co-founder/coached endurance athlete; PhD in exercise physiology
Endurox; researcher and coach
Episode: Athletes Showing ‘Overtraining’ Symptoms Often Perform Better—When to Push Through Fatigue (and When to Pull Back) (Dan Plews #31)
Joel Jamieson
Coach, creator of 8 Weeks Out, founder of Morpheus
Morpheus, 8 Weeks Out
Episode: HYROX Is More Aerobic Than You Think! Joel Jamieson — Morpheus Founder on HRV, Aerobic Development & Strength-Endurance (#30)
Jess Pettrow
Elite 15 Hyrox athlete
Episode: How Jess Pettrow Built the Aerobic Engine for HYROX’s Elite 15 — From 400m Speed to 20-Hour Training Weeks (#29)
Craig Kirkwood
Running coach
Taronga, New Zealand
Episode: How 16-Year-Old Sam Ruthe Ran a 3:48 Mile — Coach Craig Kirkwood Breaks Down His 60–80km Training Weeks (#27)
Samantha Jezak
PhD candidate in Biomolecular Nutrition
Tufts University
Episode: Protein Helps… But Only If You’re Sending the Right Muscle Signal – Sam Jezak on Senescent Cells, Protein Myths & Longevity (#21)
Gabrielle Nikora-Baker
Elite 15 Hyrox athlete
Episode: Strength Changes Everything! No Running To Elite HYROX Athlete in One Year: Gabrielle Nikora-Baker (#15)

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John Paton
Host of The Next Move; focuses on endurance, coaching, and science-backed training guidance

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5.0 out of 5 stars from 45 ratings
  • Quality Podcast

    I listen to a few different Podcasts mainly on Hyrox and I really like John’s questioning skills. John gets his guests to talk about various topics and then he goes into further detail on that topic and also summarises what has been said.

    I like the detail and quality of John’s conversations with guests.

    Great skills and keep up the great conversations.

    Apple Podcasts
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    DanMorgan25
    United Kingdom2 months ago

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“I’ve Got a Treadmill in My Kitchen”—How a Father of Four Became a Sub-56 HYROX Athlete (Ronan Lindsay #32)
Q: What are the core changes you made to your training to bring times down?
I increased weekly training volume from around 8-9 hours to 18-20 hours, built a strong aerobic base (largely zone 2), incorporated cycling, and systematically improved station technique and consistency across sessions.
“I’ve Got a Treadmill in My Kitchen”—How a Father of Four Became a Sub-56 HYROX Athlete (Ronan Lindsay #32)
Q: So, Ronan, what was the point where you decided to go all in on Hyrox?
The turning point was London 2024, when after finishing, I realized I had to fully commit, increase training volume, and adjust everything from nutrition to race strategy to truly chase the Elite 15 goal.
Athletes Showing ‘Overtraining’ Symptoms Often Perform Better—When to Push Through Fatigue (and When to Pull Back) (Dan Plews #31)
Q: What practical steps can athletes take to manage nutrition for day-to-day training loads and recovery?
Aim for energy balance to support consistency, keep protein intake high (around 1.8-3 g/kg/day depending on goals), and cycle carbohydrates based on workload—less on easy days and more on high-intensity or long-training days—to support recovery and performance.
Athletes Showing ‘Overtraining’ Symptoms Often Perform Better—When to Push Through Fatigue (and When to Pull Back) (Dan Plews #31)
Q: So how do you know when you're crossing from functional to non-functional overreaching, and what should an athlete do when signs start to appear?
Monitor a combination of indicators: a definite drop in performance, significant changes in sleep quality, and shifts in HRV or resting heart rate. If you notice these patterns, back off training, prioritize sleep and nutrition, and consider a recovery week to allow super compensation to occur.
How Jess Pettrow Built the Aerobic Engine for HYROX’s Elite 15 — From 400m Speed to 20-Hour Training Weeks (#29)
Q: So Jess, one thing I really want to talk to you about is this training environment that you've created. What is it meant to you to have so many great athletes training alongside you?
The environment elevates performance; having James and Jo nearby, sharing work ethic, and knowing others are pushing hard creates accountability and accelerates growth, even when sessions aren't done together.

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What is The Next Move about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show centers on endurance, conditioning, and long-term health, featuring conversations with athletes, coaches, scientists, and training thinkers who explore practical approaches to training, performance, and well-being. Recent episodes lean into Hyrox and hybrid endurance assets, emphasizing aerobic development, HRV-driven coaching, pacing strategies, and the role of nutrition, sleep, and stress in sustaining peak performance. A notable thread is the emphasis on building a robust aerobic foundation before layering high-intensity work, with practical frameworks like training pyramids and polarization guiding program design. The format often blends personal stories with science-backed insights, offering actionable takeaways for athletes,... more

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