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Endurance, strength, and long-term health in all its forms. The Next Move features conversations with athletes, coaches, scientists, and thinkers exploring how to train, think, and live better. By John Paton - @johngetstrong johngetstrong.substack.com

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In this episode, Dan Plews returns for a deep dive into fatigue and recovery, clarifying the difference between functional overreaching, non-functional overreaching, and true overtraining. He breaks down the key warning signs to watch for—including c... more

Joel Jamieson is one of the leading experts in conditioning and recovery science, known for his work with elite athletes across combat sports, endurance sports, and professional teams. He is the creator of the 8 Weeks Out coaching program and founder... more

Jess Pettrow is one of the fastest athletes in HYROX, combining elite track speed, strength training, and a relentless commitment to the process. In this episode, she shares how she cut eight minutes from her HYROX time by building her aerobic capaci... more

Dr. Dan Plews explains the Hyrox Training Pyramid—a framework for structuring your Hyrox training from the ground up. We discuss why training volume and frequency form the foundation, how to distribute intensity across the week, and when to layer in ... more

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Recent Guests

Dan Plews
Co-founder/coached endurance athlete; PhD in exercise physiology
Endurox; researcher and coach
Episode: Athletes Showing ‘Overtraining’ Symptoms Often Perform Better—When to Push Through Fatigue (and When to Pull Back) (Dan Plews #31)
Joel Jamieson
Coach, creator of 8 Weeks Out, founder of Morpheus
Morpheus, 8 Weeks Out
Episode: HYROX Is More Aerobic Than You Think! Joel Jamieson — Morpheus Founder on HRV, Aerobic Development & Strength-Endurance (#30)
Jess Pettrow
Elite 15 Hyrox athlete
Episode: How Jess Pettrow Built the Aerobic Engine for HYROX’s Elite 15 — From 400m Speed to 20-Hour Training Weeks (#29)
Craig Kirkwood
Running coach
Taronga, New Zealand
Episode: How 16-Year-Old Sam Ruthe Ran a 3:48 Mile — Coach Craig Kirkwood Breaks Down His 60–80km Training Weeks (#27)
Samantha Jezak
PhD candidate in Biomolecular Nutrition
Tufts University
Episode: Protein Helps… But Only If You’re Sending the Right Muscle Signal – Sam Jezak on Senescent Cells, Protein Myths & Longevity (#21)
Gabrielle Nikora-Baker
Elite 15 Hyrox athlete
Episode: Strength Changes Everything! No Running To Elite HYROX Athlete in One Year: Gabrielle Nikora-Baker (#15)
Owen Silver
Athlete transitioning from triathlon to Hirox competitions.
Episode: A Sub-60 HYROX Is Nearly Impossible Without a Strong Aerobic Base - Owen Silver (#14)
Pelayo Menendez-Fernandez
Hyrox athlete and world record holder
Episode: Hyrox World Record Holder: Efficiency is Key for Hyrox! Most Athletes Get This Wrong!(#13)
Iñaki De La Parra
An exceptional endurance athlete and Ultraman champion.
Episode: Iñaki de la Parra: "Zone 2 Training Burned Me Out... Here's How I Train Now" (#10)

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John Paton
Host of The Next Move, focused on endurance, strength, and long-term health; frequently discusses training science, coaching insights, and performance optimization.

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Athletes Showing ‘Overtraining’ Symptoms Often Perform Better—When to Push Through Fatigue (and When to Pull Back) (Dan Plews #31)
Q: What practical steps can athletes take to manage nutrition for day-to-day training loads and recovery?
Aim for energy balance to support consistency, keep protein intake high (around 1.8-3 g/kg/day depending on goals), and cycle carbohydrates based on workload—less on easy days and more on high-intensity or long-training days—to support recovery and performance.
Athletes Showing ‘Overtraining’ Symptoms Often Perform Better—When to Push Through Fatigue (and When to Pull Back) (Dan Plews #31)
Q: So how do you know when you're crossing from functional to non-functional overreaching, and what should an athlete do when signs start to appear?
Monitor a combination of indicators: a definite drop in performance, significant changes in sleep quality, and shifts in HRV or resting heart rate. If you notice these patterns, back off training, prioritize sleep and nutrition, and consider a recovery week to allow super compensation to occur.
How Jess Pettrow Built the Aerobic Engine for HYROX’s Elite 15 — From 400m Speed to 20-Hour Training Weeks (#29)
Q: So Jess, one thing I really want to talk to you about is this training environment that you've created. What is it meant to you to have so many great athletes training alongside you?
The environment elevates performance; having James and Jo nearby, sharing work ethic, and knowing others are pushing hard creates accountability and accelerates growth, even when sessions aren't done together.
How 16-Year-Old Sam Ruthe Ran a 3:48 Mile — Coach Craig Kirkwood Breaks Down His 60–80km Training Weeks (#27)
Q: How does the coach manage seasonality and travel with a top junior athlete to optimize development?
By aligning training with base-building in the off-season, using hills and tempo work to increase volume when feasible, and planning competition abroad to ensure quality racing without overloading during peak indoor or outdoor phases.
Q&A: Hyrox Endurance Sessions, Burpee Breathing, Zone 2 with Limited Time & Bodyweight Myths — Dan Plews (#26)
Q: If you can only fit in six to eight hours of training a week, would you still do zone two training as part of that?
Yes, you should still do zone two training, aiming for at least 50% of your training in that endurance zone for optimal adaptations.

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What is The Next Move about and what kind of topics does it cover?

The show centers on endurance, strength, and long-term health, with conversations spanning athletes, coaches, scientists, and strategic thinkers. Across episodes, core themes include hybrid athletic training (combining endurance and strength), energy-system development, and data-driven coaching (HRV, periodization, and training pyramids). Guests frequently discuss practical programming, recovery, and innovative tools that personalize training, such as apps and wearables. A standout trait is the emphasis on sustainable, long-term development over short-term gains, along with a willingness to bridge sport science and real-world coaching. This blend is likely to appeal to performance-minded listeners seeking actionable insights for Hyrox-style... more

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