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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin),... more

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Recent Guests

Sonja Breuer
SVP of HR at Hamra Enterprises
Hamra Enterprises
Episode: When AI Needs Humans with Sonja Breuer
Toby Dayton
LinkUp CEO, friend of the show and former co-host of The Chad & Cheese Data Show
LinkUp / Global Data
Episode: ZipRecruiter Financial Gymnastics
Cassell Kaye
20-year veteran of large corporations, including Amazon; ran DEI, Workforce Data and Talent Strategy; focuses on ageism, workforce issues and corporate naughtiness
Former corporate executive, DEI and Talent Strategy expert
Episode: Ageism, Algo-Bias, and Corp Naughtiness w/ Cassell Kaye
Jolene Hostal
Director of HR at Stanley Steemer
Stanley Steemer
Episode: 90 Days Hired, They Stay a Year w/ Jolene Hostal
Kristy McCann
Founder and former CEO of Skill Cycle
Skill Cycle
Episode: Startup Nightmares w/ Kristy McCann
Adam Godson
GM of Paradox (now part of Workday ecosystem)
Workday (and Paradox)
Episode: AI Takes The Boring Part w/ Adam Godson
Josh Secrest
Head of Marketing at Paradox
Paradox
Episode: Hire Fast or Lose w/ Josh Secrest
Kristen Reilly
SVP of Talent at Elevo Learning
Elevo Learning
Episode: Hiring Became Our Edge with Kristen Reilly
Dan Lyons
Author of Disrupted and Lab Rats; writer for Silicon Valley TV
Author/Writer
Episode: Ageism in Tech: Dan Lyons on ‘Disrupted,’ Silicon Valley & Toxic Culture

Hosts

Chad Sowash
Host of The Chad & Cheese Podcast
Joel Cheesman
Co-host of The Chad & Cheese Podcast

Reviews

4.2 out of 5 stars from 163 ratings
  • Keep this at the top of your list

    There are so many podcasts that promise to cut through the nonsense - and then bring the nonsense. This one lives up to the promise, with biting humor and some of the most interesting and valuable commentary of anyone in the HR space.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Fhrishhxjsj
    United Statesa year ago
  • Best Podcast in the HR space

    Thank you to Chad and Joel for inviting me onto their show. They are professionals in their field, which made it easy for me as a guest. I thoroughly enjoyed our conversation and am excited about the future of the TA space.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Matt Lavery
    United States2 years ago
  • Best “keeping it real and raw” podcast on HR!

    If you’re in workplace management, this podcast is a no brainer and a must listen! Chad, Joel and their guests provide practical and valuable advice in a fun and real way and cover so many topics from Linkedin to employee retention to AI. They are consistently thought provoking and insightful. Don’t think about it - subscribe now.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Brooke Strauss
    United States3 years ago
  • New working title: Socialism and Cheese

    I give this podcast three out of five stars. That’s five stars for Joel. One star for Chad.

    And I only give Chad one star because every once in a while - and I gotta say these moments are very few and super far in between - he will do a market analysis that’s really good and insightful.

    However, 99% of the time Mr Sowash is spewing the mad ravings of a person who’s never actually run a business. He’s the smartest person in the industry - just ask him. In fact, this podcast made me realize th... more

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    PSU fan in South Carolina
    United States3 years ago
  • Bringing the heat!

    Joel and Chad are great. You will learn and laugh.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    JPs Ghost
    United States3 years ago

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Audiences value candid discussions and real-world perspectives over polished, generic industry talk.
The show is consistently entertaining and thought-provoking, with thoughtful guests and sharp industry commentary.
Listeners appreciate blunt, no-nonsense takes and practical insights for HR tech and recruiting.
The humor and energy keep complex topics engaging and accessible.

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#127
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#209
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#229
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#231
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Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Ageism, Algo-Bias, and Corp Naughtiness w/ Cassell Kaye
Q: What is Cassell's background and how does it inform her perspective on ageism and corporate naughtiness?
Cassell explains her 20-year career in HR and people data at major corporations, her work leading DEI and workforce data, and how she now focuses on ageism and corporate misconduct, which gives her practical insight into how data can reveal bias in hiring and promotion.
Startup Nightmares w/ Kristy McCann
Q: Kristy, give us an idea of where Skill Cycle was before the competition and the investment.
She explains that prior to the Opportunity Fund, Skill Cycle was bootstrapped with some investor interest but had not yet hit profitability; they had a growing base of contractors and coaches, and she believed in building a real AI-enabled platform. The competition and subsequent funding shifted to a demanding, pressure-filled relationship with a lead investor who pushed a seed extension and tranches, undermining their capital plan.
Your Best Hire Already Left w/ Gustavo Serbia
Q: What role does automation versus personal interaction play in recruiting stylists?
Automation handles screening and basic steps, but the human element remains essential for building relationships on the chair side; the goal is to combine AI efficiency with empathy and personal touch.
Your Best Hire Already Left w/ Gustavo Serbia
Q: How has speed with technology impacted getting a candidate behind the chair?
Speed has been crucial; removing unnecessary steps and using tools like Paradox helped reduce time to hire from roughly 17 days to about 12 days, with offers turned around in around three days when possible.
Hire Fast or Lose w/ Josh Secrest
Q: Josh, how does frontline automation change the day-to-day for managers and frontline workers?
Automation reduces repetitive admin tasks, freeing managers to focus on coaching, scheduling, and customer-facing work, while AI assists with initial screening and fast, multilingual applicant interactions.

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1. Sonja Breuer
2. Toby Dayton
3. Cassell Kaye
4. Jolene Hostal
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7. Josh Secrest
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