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The Chad & Cheese Podcast

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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin),... more

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What happens when HR tech giants crush earnings while the rest of the industry faces massive layoffs? In this special episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel Cheesman is joined by guest co-host J.T. O'Donnell to deliver a dose of optimistic realis... more

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How Ace Hardware Scaled to 100 Years with AI

Can a century-old brand out-recruit Amazon? In this episode, Stef Nikitas and Kaleigh Burns from Ace Hardware join Chad and Cheese to discuss "Project Hurricane"—the total overhaul of their hiring process... more

Grab your favorite beverage for a special, highly opinionated "just us girls" episode of the podcast, featuring Joel Cheesman and Maureen “Moe” Clough taking the mic without the rest of the usual crew.

This week, the duo delivers a light-hearted yet... more

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Episode: Deviled Eggs, LinkedIn Layoffs & Indeed's Monopoly
Stef Nikitas
Director of Talent Acquisition at Ace Hardware
Ace Hardware
Episode: Ace Hardware: Differentiate or Die
Kaleigh Burns
Manager of TA and Ops at Ace Hardware
Ace Hardware
Episode: Ace Hardware: Differentiate or Die
Heather Bodell
Bloomberg Industry Group manager; referenced in age discrimination case
Bloomberg Industry Group
Episode: Hiring, We Have a Problem: AI
Mark Gibson
Director of HR Technology at the Flynn Group
Flynn Group
Episode: 2,400 Locations, Only 1 AI
Jim Lawler
National security consultant and author
Independent consultant / CIA veteran
Episode: The Spy Who Recruited Me
Steven McGrath
Guest promoting free stuff and sponsor shouts
Episode: LinkedIn 'Shakes and Gen Z Breaks
Josh Block
Executive advisor at Block Imaging, founder of Cube Mobile Imaging, author
Block Imaging; Cube Mobile Imaging
Episode: Creating a Culture Where People (Actually) Matter: Insights from Josh Block
Shiran Yaroslavsky
SVP of Product at Smart Recruiters
Smart Recruiters
Episode: Recruiting Rewired

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Chad Sowash
Host of The Chad & Cheese Podcast
Joel Cheesman
Co-host of The Chad & Cheese Podcast

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4.2 out of 5 stars from 163 ratings
  • Keep this at the top of your list

    There are so many podcasts that promise to cut through the nonsense - and then bring the nonsense. This one lives up to the promise, with biting humor and some of the most interesting and valuable commentary of anyone in the HR space.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Fhrishhxjsj
    United States8 months ago
  • Best Podcast in the HR space

    Thank you to Chad and Joel for inviting me onto their show. They are professionals in their field, which made it easy for me as a guest. I thoroughly enjoyed our conversation and am excited about the future of the TA space.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Matt Lavery
    United States2 years ago
  • Best “keeping it real and raw” podcast on HR!

    If you’re in workplace management, this podcast is a no brainer and a must listen! Chad, Joel and their guests provide practical and valuable advice in a fun and real way and cover so many topics from Linkedin to employee retention to AI. They are consistently thought provoking and insightful. Don’t think about it - subscribe now.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Brooke Strauss
    United States2 years ago
  • New working title: Socialism and Cheese

    I give this podcast three out of five stars. That’s five stars for Joel. One star for Chad.

    And I only give Chad one star because every once in a while - and I gotta say these moments are very few and super far in between - he will do a market analysis that’s really good and insightful.

    However, 99% of the time Mr Sowash is spewing the mad ravings of a person who’s never actually run a business. He’s the smartest person in the industry - just ask him. In fact, this podcast made me realize th... more

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    PSU fan in South Carolina
    United States3 years ago
  • Bringing the heat!

    Joel and Chad are great. You will learn and laugh.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    JPs Ghost
    United States3 years ago

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Brisk, opinionated takes that cut through buzzwords.
Candid, practical coverage of HR tech with a humorous edge.
Reliable for staying ahead on AI in hiring and vendor moves.
Great guest mix and strong industry insights with entertaining banter.

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2,400 Locations, Only 1 AI
Q: What are you seeing in terms of automation and its impact on the budget and hiring process?
Automation dramatically cuts time in scheduling and screening, centralizes operations across brands, and reduces the need for large recruiting staffs by enabling a few recruiters to manage thousands of locations. This drives cost savings and faster onboarding, while still maintaining quality through targeted outreach.
The Spy Who Recruited Me
Q: What is the CIA's historical recruiting context during the Cold War and after?
Recruiting during the Cold War focused on high-need targets like Russians and Eastern Bloc operatives, with a cultural emphasis on patriotism and a sense of mission; after the Cold War, recruitment shifted to new threats and broader geopolitical concerns, including counter-proliferation and non-state actors, while maintaining rigorous vetting and training.
Hacking Jack & Jill
Q: Did you coordinate with Jack and Jill on the disclosure and how did they respond?
Yes, there was a back-and-forth with the company, a draft was shared for amendments, and they generally accepted the findings as factual and clear, indicating a constructive responsible disclosure process.
Hacking Jack & Jill
Q: Give us a sense of how dark this can go for job seekers and the public with the technology that's available today.
The discussion emphasizes how AI-enabled tools can impersonate voices and create convincing social engineering scenarios, increasing the risk of phishing and scams in recruitment and necessitating heightened verification and security measures.
Ghosting, Grinding, and Getting Screwed: Job Search in 2026
Q: Could Jillian give us a day-in-the-life view of how someone is job hunting right now?
Jillian describes a prolonged process filled with networking, targeted applications, multiple interviews, and the constant frustration of being knocked out or left in limbo, highlighting a dramatic shift from applying to actively managing visibility and networking.

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A fast-paced, sharp-edged look at recruiting, HR tech, and workforce trends driven by AI, platform dynamics, and market shifts. Episodes frequently dissect major players (LinkedIn, Indeed, large HR tech vendors), evaluate automation's impact on recruiting teams, and explore how AI, data, and outsourcing are reshaping candidate experience and hiring economics. The hosts bring blunt, often humorous commentary and push back against hype, while guest contributors—from TA leaders to industry analysts—ground discussions in real-world, enterprise-scale scenarios. A standout angle is the willingness to connect technology decisions to human outcomes, culture, and brand strategy, making it useful for practitioners and vendors alike who crave candid, ... more

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