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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin),... more

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Latest Episodes

How do just 20 recruiters handle over 150,000 hires and 7 million annual applications? On this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman chat with Shay Johnson, VP of Strategic HR Partnerships at Compass Group, to explore th... more

What do a big couch, a can of Stella, and four of the biggest personalities in recruitment have in common? They’re all live from RecFest this week, covering the hottest topics in the world of hiring.

Chad, Joel, Mo’, and J.T. are on hand to talk abo... more

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.

Is the resume dying — or is it just lying and on life support while AI agents pump out 11,000 fake-looking apps a minute.

On this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel and Chad sit down with Etan Bernstein of the Velocity Network Foundation, an... more

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Recent Guests

Joseph Cole
VP of Marketing
Findem
Episode: Guilty Pleas, Autopilots and Iced Lattes: RecFest USA Live
Etan Bernstein
Co-founder of the Velocity Network Foundation
Velocity Network Foundation
Episode: Candidate Fraud Stops Here with Etan Bernstein
Paul Roetzer
Founder and CEO of SmarterX, AI researcher/educator
SmarterX.ai
Episode: How AI is Reshaping the Workplace with Paul Roetzer
Hung Lee
Industry expert guest introduced during the show
Episode: Jobs Utopia or Fiasco?
Lauren B. Jones
Founder and CEO of Leap Advisory Partners; author of Real Girls Roadmap to Mastering AI
Leap Advisory Partners
Episode: Real Girls, Real AI & Real Talk with Lauren B. Jones
Ben Zweig
CEO at Revelio Labs; economist and adjunct professor at NYU Stern
Revelio Labs
Episode: Slop, Supply & the Search Process: Ben Zweig Breaks Down the Data
Raj Ronanki
Founder and CEO of Signal Labs
Signal Labs
Episode: SignalLabs + BrassRing = Signals of Attention
Sonja Breuer
SVP of HR at Hamra Enterprises
Hamra Enterprises
Episode: When AI Needs Humans with Sonja Breuer
Toby Dayton
LinkUp CEO, friend of the show and former co-host of The Chad & Cheese Data Show
LinkUp / Global Data
Episode: ZipRecruiter Financial Gymnastics

Hosts

Chad Sowash
Host of The Chad & Cheese Podcast
Joel Cheesman
Co-host of The Chad & Cheese Podcast

Reviews

4.2 out of 5 stars from 165 ratings
  • Keep this at the top of your list

    There are so many podcasts that promise to cut through the nonsense - and then bring the nonsense. This one lives up to the promise, with biting humor and some of the most interesting and valuable commentary of anyone in the HR space.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Fhrishhxjsj
    United Statesa year ago
  • Best Podcast in the HR space

    Thank you to Chad and Joel for inviting me onto their show. They are professionals in their field, which made it easy for me as a guest. I thoroughly enjoyed our conversation and am excited about the future of the TA space.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Matt Lavery
    United States2 years ago
  • Best “keeping it real and raw” podcast on HR!

    If you’re in workplace management, this podcast is a no brainer and a must listen! Chad, Joel and their guests provide practical and valuable advice in a fun and real way and cover so many topics from Linkedin to employee retention to AI. They are consistently thought provoking and insightful. Don’t think about it - subscribe now.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Brooke Strauss
    United States3 years ago
  • New working title: Socialism and Cheese

    I give this podcast three out of five stars. That’s five stars for Joel. One star for Chad.

    And I only give Chad one star because every once in a while - and I gotta say these moments are very few and super far in between - he will do a market analysis that’s really good and insightful.

    However, 99% of the time Mr Sowash is spewing the mad ravings of a person who’s never actually run a business. He’s the smartest person in the industry - just ask him. In fact, this podcast made me realize th... more

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    PSU fan in South Carolina
    United States3 years ago
  • Bringing the heat!

    Joel and Chad are great. You will learn and laugh.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    JPs Ghost
    United States3 years ago

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Audiences value candid discussions and real-world perspectives over polished, generic industry talk.
The show is consistently entertaining and thought-provoking, with thoughtful guests and sharp industry commentary.
Listeners appreciate blunt, no-nonsense takes and practical insights for HR tech and recruiting.
The humor and energy keep complex topics engaging and accessible.

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#180
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#80
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#153
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#175
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Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

How AI is Reshaping the Workplace with Paul Roetzer
Q: What advice would you give to parents about AI and kids entering a future with AI influence?
Paul advises parents to encourage their kids to pursue any field they love but to become at least in the top decile of AI competence within that field, stressing critical thinking and responsible, authentic use of AI to augment rather than replace human skill.
How AI is Reshaping the Workplace with Paul Roetzer
Q: What is it that makes Paul tick?
Paul emphasizes family, Cleveland roots, and his journalism background, then expands into a mission driven by empathy for workers and a focus on education and practical AI applications, rather than pure engineering. He frames AI adoption as an ongoing inquiry rather than a finished product, aiming to help people adapt and thrive.
Real Girls, Real AI & Real Talk with Lauren B. Jones
Q: Lauren, you wrote a book. Tell us about it and why you wrote it.
Lauren explains the book Real Girls Roadmap to Mastering AI was written to give women and all professionals a framework for using AI safely and confidently, addressing questions about safety, ethics, and the planet's future, with iterations as the technology evolves; she aims to empower readers to think differently and to introduce a training program for broader audiences.
Slop, Supply & the Search Process: Ben Zweig Breaks Down the Data
Q: Do you think AI will lead to widespread displacement or job creation?
Early evidence suggests not widespread displacement; firms investing in AI tend to hire more and create new tasks, implying productive expansion rather than simple replacement, though long-term effects remain uncertain and depend on implementation and policy.
Slop, Supply & the Search Process: Ben Zweig Breaks Down the Data
Q: What part of AI is most likely to impact hiring in the near term?
The search and match process is where AI creates the biggest friction and opportunity: it can speed up recruitment and screening, but also risks signal jamming if not managed with sensible rules and transparency.

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2. Etan Bernstein
3. Paul Roetzer
4. Hung Lee
5. Lauren B. Jones
6. Ben Zweig
7. Raj Ronanki
8. Sonja Breuer

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