
Has affirmative action gone too far? Should we abolish internet anonymity? Is liberal hypocrisy worth defending?
Welcome to The Argument, a weekly podcast from Jerusalem Demsas and Matthew Yglesias, where two friends argue about politics, policy, and whatever else is on their minds.
This is a debate show for people who want the nitty-gritty without the typical screaming matches or softball inte... more
| Publishes | Weekly | Episodes | 43 | Founded | a year ago |
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| Number of Listeners | Categories | NewsSociety & Culture | |||

Who actually counts as an elite in America?
The Argument ran its own poll on elite perception, and the results scramble a lot of conventional wisdom. Billionaires and celebrities are the only groups a majority of Americans call elite. College profes... more
Is there really a loneliness crisis?
Jerusalem Demsas and Matt Yglesias read Robert Putnam's Bowling Alone, the 2000 classic that diagnosed America's collapse in community life. They argue about how bad the loneliness problem really is today, and wh... more
Many people say the #MeToo movement went too far. Jerusalem Demsas disagrees: she thinks it didn't go far enough. Matt Yglesias wants to talk about what the movement actually was, and worries about the risks of a leaderless movement without clear sta... more
Most Americans still see buying a home as the ultimate financial goal, but Jerusalem Demsas thinks homeownership is overrated. Matt Yglesias, a proud homeowner, disagrees. They get into why the American Dream might be a bad financial deal, what's rea... more
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Great podcast but the only one I listen to at 0.8x speed
Matthew, I challenge you to complete an episode without ending a sentence with “Right?”
I was really excited when the current iteration of this pod became a thing because I’m a very long time fan of both hosts. Topic selection and substance of conversations were unsurprisingly great from day 1. A somewhat unexpected development over the past 4 months I’ve listened is that I find myself laughing quite a bit listening. This podcast migrating from the commentary to the commentary/humor category for me was cemented listening to the 7/23 AI episode with Yglesias bringing up his affectio... more
Update: subtracting two stars because Demsas is magic on her own, but Demsas/Yglesias is just fine.
Not sure Demsas would see this as a compliment, but I see a lot of similarities between what she’d doing at The Argument and what Bari Weiss accomplished at TFP. Both are renewal projects for the American journalistic landscape, and both have me very excited about the future of American media. Recently, Bari Weiss identified the need for a loud, charismatic voice to represent American centrists l... more
Jerusalem and Matt are great together!
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A sharp, policy-focused debate show where two seasoned political commentators square off on current events, policy trade-offs, and structural issues. Episodes span topics like MeToo, housing, AI in the workplace, oligarchy, and environmental policy, all anchored in data, research, and real-world examples. The format features each host arguing a distinctive point of view before a rigorous back-and-forth, with a clear emphasis on nuance over partisan screaming. Listeners can expect deep dives, practical implications for policy and markets, and thoughtful skepticism about conventional wisdom. A standout aspect is the hosts' commitment to evidence-driven discussion and a willingness to test ideas against empirical research, while maintaining en... more
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Recent guests on The Argument include:
1. Timothy Lee
2. Paul Eastwick
3. Jennifer Doleac
4. Ross Douthat
5. Carolina Arteaga
6. Rita Koganzon
7. Chris Elmendorf
8. Matthew Yglesias
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