
Has affirmative action gone too far? Should we abolish internet anonymity? Is liberal hypocrisy worth defending?Welcome to The Argument, a weekly podcast from Jerusalem Demsas and Matthew Yglesias, where two friends argue about politics, policy, and whatever else is on their minds. This is a debate show for people who want the nitty-gritty without the typical screaming matches or softball intervie... more
| Publishes | Weekly | Episodes | 37 | Founded | 10 months ago |
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| Number of Listeners | Categories | Society & CultureNews | |||

For this month's book club, Jerusalem Demsas and Matt Yglesias read The Death and Life of Great American Cities, the 1961 classic that changed how everyone thinks about neighborhoods. Rereading it as YIMBYs, they find a book that's right about what m... more
Should immigrants have to assimilate? Jerusalem Demsas and Matt Yglesias take on the growing idea that immigrants shouldn't have to assimilate to belong in America. Jerusalem, the daughter of immigrants, disagrees, and makes the case that assimilatio... more
The Bidens are back in the news, thanks to Jill Biden’s new book and Joe’s apparent difficulties raising money for his presidential library. So Jerusalem Demsas and Matthew Yglesias do the thing the party keeps avoiding: they rank the worst parts of ... more
Is online dating advice actually making it harder to find love?
This week, Jerusalem Demsas and Matthew Yglesias wade into the world of online dating advice, from the manosphere influencers coaching men to treat women as opponents to the female-cod... more
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Jerusalem and Matt are great together!
Jerusalem and Matt cover a range of interesting topics and go deeper than most other shows while still keeping the discussion lively and approachable.
I have really appreciated The Argument in written and audio formats. I think Jerusalem Demsas is brave and brilliant, and a very good host and analyst. I enjoyed earlier episodes with different guests, notably on housing and climate. While I am still trying to embrace the premise and am pushing myself to engage with differing (and notoriously “heterodox”) viewpoints and opinions, I am unfortunately remembering during the asylum episode that I can ordinarily only stand to listen to Matt Yglesi... more
I think that the topics of this podcast are relevant and interesting, but, boy, are the recordings difficult to listen to. Jerusalem speaks very quickly, almost too quickly to make out, and the hosts constantly interrupt each other. I find myself wondering if something interesting was about to be said if it hadn’t been cut off by the other host.
Jerusalem in an episode sought a Claude summary of something Matt said. Riveting stuff from some of our best online minds.
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A debate-driven show where two hosts argue distinct, research-backed positions on timely political and policy questions, then hash out their points. Episodes cover topics like liberalism, immigration, housing, AI, and assessing societal norms with careful reasoning, data, and practical implications. Notable for its emphasis on rigor over hot takes, it frequently features guests who challenge established views, and aims to help listeners understand different sides of complex issues without sensationalism. The format tends to attract listeners who value evidence, civility, and nuanced policy discussion, and it often appeals to those seeking thoughtful, non-polemical political dialogue.
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Recent guests on The Argument include:
1. Paul Eastwick
2. Jennifer Doleac
3. Ross Douthat
4. Carolina Arteaga
5. Rita Koganzon
6. Chris Elmendorf
7. Matthew Yglesias
8. Gabriele Gratton
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