
Has affirmative action gone too far? Should we abolish internet anonymity? Is liberal hypocrisy worth defending?Welcome to The Argument, a weekly podcast from Jerusalem Demsas and Matthew Yglesias, where two friends argue about politics, policy, and whatever else is on their minds. This is a debate show for people who want the nitty-gritty without the typical screaming matches or softball intervie... more
| Publishes | Weekly | Episodes | 31 | Founded | 8 months ago |
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| Number of Listeners | Categories | Society & CultureNews | |||

America is on track for its lowest homicide year since 1900, but nobody seems to be celebrating. Matt Yglesias and Jerusalem Demsas debate why crime has dropped so dramatically and what caused the pandemic-era highs in the first place. Were the Georg... more
This week on The Argument, Jerusalem Demsas and Matthew Yglesias debate the tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles. Jerusalem argues that Americans should have access to cheaper, climate-friendly cars, while Matt says industrial policy requires a more ... more
Spirit Airlines is dead and the right, true to form, is blaming Joe Biden.
The immediate cause of Spirit's demise is pretty clear: the war with Iran spiked jet fuel costs, and the already-battered airline couldn't absorb the hit to its bottom line.... more
Betty Friedan thought Korean POWs were dying in captivity because their mothers were housewives. She thought boy moms were making their sons gay. She wrote a whole chapter comparing suburban kitchens to concentration camps — in 1963, while America wa... more
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Jerusalem and Matt cover a range of interesting topics and go deeper than most other shows while still keeping the discussion lively and approachable.
I have really appreciated The Argument in written and audio formats. I think Jerusalem Demsas is brave and brilliant, and a very good host and analyst. I enjoyed earlier episodes with different guests, notably on housing and climate. While I am still trying to embrace the premise and am pushing myself to engage with differing (and notoriously “heterodox”) viewpoints and opinions, I am unfortunately remembering during the asylum episode that I can ordinarily only stand to listen to Matt Yglesi... more
I think that the topics of this podcast are relevant and interesting, but, boy, are the recordings difficult to listen to. Jerusalem speaks very quickly, almost too quickly to make out, and the hosts constantly interrupt each other. I find myself wondering if something interesting was about to be said if it hadn’t been cut off by the other host.
Jerusalem in an episode sought a Claude summary of something Matt said. Riveting stuff from some of our best online minds.
Well done- I don’t always agree with the opinions shared by the host or its guests but I don’t deny the deep level of introspection reached to get them.
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A debate-driven show where two hosts argue distinct, research-backed positions on timely political and policy questions, then hash out their points. Episodes cover topics like liberalism, immigration, housing, AI, and assessing societal norms with careful reasoning, data, and practical implications. Notable for its emphasis on rigor over hot takes, it frequently features guests who challenge established views, and aims to help listeners understand different sides of complex issues without sensationalism. The format tends to attract listeners who value evidence, civility, and nuanced policy discussion, and it often appeals to those seeking thoughtful, non-polemical political dialogue.
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Recent guests on The Argument include:
1. Paul Eastwick
2. Jennifer Doleac
3. Ross Douthat
4. Carolina Arteaga
5. Rita Koganzon
6. Chris Elmendorf
7. Matthew Yglesias
8. Gabriele Gratton
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