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Orlando, Florida
Baptist General Convention Of Texas
Priesthood Of the Believer

Join BNG Executive Director Mark Wingfield and Benjamin Cole, ”The Baptist Blogger,” in a spirited discussion of the history, people and current issues facing the Southern Baptist Convention. Get the perspective from the right and the left, from the past and the present.

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In this episode, Mark and Ben look back at a rousing sermon delivered at the 1984 meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention by SBC icon Russell Dilday during the denomination’s conservative resurgence. The original recording may be found in the “Wed... more

In this episode, Mark and Ben sit down with Mara Richards Bim, a Clemons Fellow with Baptist News Global, and Laurie Taylor, the Executive Director of the Grief & Loss Center, to have a frank conversation about suicide and the recent death by suicide... more

In this episode, Mark and Ben sit down with longtime friends and colleagues of the late Robert Sloan, president of Houston Christian University and former president of Baylor University. Special guests David Dockery (Southwestern Baptist Theological ... more

In this episode, Mark and Ben compare notes on their respective denominational summer conferences and what's changed or stayed the same over the years. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.

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Recent Guests

Mara Richards Bim
Clemons fellow at BNG; social justice and advocacy resident at Royal Lane Baptist Church, Dallas
Baptist News Global; Royal Lane Baptist Church
Episode: Episode 50: An Honest Conversation about Suicide
Laurie Taylor
Executive director of the Grief and Loss Center of North Texas; certified Thanatologist
Grief and Loss Center of North Texas
Episode: Episode 50: An Honest Conversation about Suicide
Carey Newman
Hugely influenced in life and work by Robert Sloan; Baylor/ Southwestern connection
Southwestern Seminary and Baylor (via Sloan era)
Episode: Episode 49: Understanding Robert Sloan’s legacy among Baptists and higher education
Marv Knox
Former editor at the Baptist Standard; covered Baylor during Sloan's presidency
Baptist Standard
Episode: Episode 49: Understanding Robert Sloan’s legacy among Baptists and higher education
David Dockery
President emeritus of Southwestern Seminary; scholar who interacted with Sloan
Union University/Southwestern Seminary
Episode: Episode 49: Understanding Robert Sloan’s legacy among Baptists and higher education
Josh Powell
Pastor, Taylor's First Baptist Church, Taylors, South Carolina
Taylor's First Baptist Church
Episode: Episode 46: A conversation with Josh Powell
Willie Rice
Pastor, Calvary Baptist Church, Clearwater, Florida
Calvary Baptist Church, Clearwater
Episode: Episode 45: A conversation with Willy Rice
Liam Gent
Special guest, transgender man
Independent contributor / Co-author with Mark Wingfield
Episode: Episode 43: In conversation with a transgender man
Rob Downen
Texas Monthly journalist; author of the Texas Monthly feature on Paul Pressler
Texas Monthly
Episode: Episode 40: The Judgment of Paul Pressler

Hosts

Benjamin Cole
Host and writer, The Baptist Blogger; co-host of the show; affiliated with Baptist News Global/Baptist Blogger
Mark Wingfield
Executive Director and Publisher; Host and co-host of the show; frequent commentator on SBC issues

Reviews

4.6 out of 5 stars from 28 ratings
  • Very Timely

    The slide by CT towards the right is happening so obviously and so quickly. From their choice of an anti-trans book for book of the year, to Marv’s new creed, to the horrifying expert they platformed a few days ago from a book called “post woke” that vilifies the idea of social justice. 3000 times in the bible it speaks of service to the poor and outcasts.

    Ryan Burge’s data presented in his great book shows clearly that the Mainline is dead and you can’t grow a religious or journalist business... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Kirsten in SD
    United States7 months ago
  • Great source for Baptist analysis

    The first season of this podcast was interesting to hear Mark and Ben’s analyses of Baptist life in the South.

    However, the second season is even stronger. The interviews with Baptist leaders OS Hawkins and Joanie Chapman are models that there can be respect with difference.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ryan54ol
    United States10 months ago
  • Look forward to it

    I have thoroughly enjoyed listening to their podcast. Fascinating hearing their stories and wise insights

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    jaroland74
    United States2 years ago

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Listeners note strong interviews and respect for difference, especially in season pacing and guest selection.
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Episodes are described as insightful with thoughtful perspectives on governance and ethics in religious institutions.
The show is praised for timely SBC analysis and balanced critique of leadership and finance.

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Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Episode 24: Doug Haney & Benjamin Harlan
Q: What do you see as the core losses in church music over the last 40–50 years?
Loss of theological depth and musical literacy, shifts away from psalm-singing and traditional hymnody, and a proliferation of worship languages that can dilute a shared liturgical vocabulary.
Episode 24: Doug Haney & Benjamin Harlan
Q: How did Southwestern and other SBC seminaries influence church music education and practice in your experience?
They represented a high level of education and ambition, producing many graduates who shaped church music, but over time tensions emerged between traditional education models and evolving worship practices.
Episode 24: Doug Haney & Benjamin Harlan
Q: What sparked your initial interest in church music ministry?
Both guests describe childhood church experiences, early choirs, and seminary training as foundational, followed by practical ministry in local churches that shaped their approach to music ministry.
Episode 20: Baptist identity and confessional clarity: A conversation with Curtis Freeman and Malcolm Yarnell
Q: Tell us about the recent defection of a leading theologian and what it reveals about the SBC's direction.
The discussion notes a recent departure of a theologian who joins Trinity Anglican Seminary, citing concerns about creeds, church polity, and the SBC's public image, which sparks debate about creedal necessity and the role of confessional frameworks in Baptist life.
Episode 22: O. S. Hawkins
Q: Has it ever, in the midst of sort of the places where you've gone, the people you've gotten to know, just on a first-name basis, how have you endeavored in prayer, or just how have you endeavored, period, to keep the common touch?
Hawkins describes deliberate, ongoing practices like prayer for individuals, personal outreach, and humility before God, underscoring that leadership demands relational care across social strata rather than simply pursuing status. He emphasizes staying grounded through personal mentorship, prayer, and serving people from all walks of life.

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Two hosts from Baptist News Global engage in lively, opinionated discussions about Southern Baptist Convention history, governance, and current issues, often contrasting perspectives from different sides of the spectrum. Recent episodes repeatedly cover topics like leadership, transparency in finances, women in ministry, church-state questions, and the role of denominations in public life, with special guests and investigative reporting framing much of the conversation. The format tends to mix sharp analysis, insider context, and public-policy implications, making it likely to appeal to listeners who want a balanced yet provocative take on SBC affairs, faith-and-politics, and denominational accountability. A notable strength is the willingn... more

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