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CEOs trust us, the media tolerates us, and our mothers think we know Oprah. The Smart in Public podcast, hosted by Katie Boysen and Katie Dufficy, shares business, career, and life experiences through the world of two Public Relations professionals just trying to keep their sh*t together.

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In this episode of Smart in Public, we sit down with Jenny Bavinger, VP of Marketing Communications at Sapphire Ventures, to talk about founders, why PR is a service business that can't be easily productized, the signals that tell a company it's time... more

AI video is everywhere, and in this episode, The Katies welcome Joe Ciarallo, Head of US Communications at Synthesia, to pull back the curtain on what it takes to build a brand in one of the most scrutinized corners of enterprise AI. We get into the ... more

What happens when your company moves so fast that your communications strategy is already outdated by the time you ship it?

That's the reality at Lovable — the AI-native company that's making software creation accessible to anyone, anywhere. And the... more

If you've been quietly doom-scrolling job boards and wondering if it's just you — it's not. The communications job market is genuinely hard right now, and nobody's being fully honest about why and what to do.

Daniel Méndez Aróstica built #CommsJobs ... more

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Recent Guests

Jenny Bavinger
VP of Marketing Communications at Sapphire Ventures
Sapphire Ventures
Episode: 'Two things can be true at the same time' w/ Jenny Bavinger, VP of Marketing & Communications at Sapphire Ventures
Joe Ciarallo
Head of US Communications, Synthesia
Synthesia
Episode: Your Avatar Will See You Now with Joe Ciarallo, Head of US Communications at Synthesia
Senka Hadzimuratovic
Head of Communications at Lovable
Lovable
Episode: AI + Comms is a Vibe with Senka Hadzimuratovic, Head of Comms at Lovable
Daniel Méndez Aróstica
Public relations professional known for #comsjobs on LinkedIn
Public relations expert, LinkedIn community builder
Episode: Pack your career go bag with Daniel Méndez Aróstica
Michelle Masek
Founder and CEO of Honey Jar
Honey Jar
Episode: What Happens When PR People Stop Complaining and Start Building
Nadia Jamshidi
Co-founder and Chief Communications Officer at Honey Jar
Honey Jar
Episode: What Happens When PR People Stop Complaining and Start Building
Michael O'Brien
CEO of Highwire
Highwire
Episode: The Art of the Deal: PR Agency Edition w/ Highwire's Michael O'Brien & Cortney Stapleton
Cortney Stapleton
Chief Strategy and Business Officer at Highwire (formerly CEO of Bliss Group)
Highwire
Episode: The Art of the Deal: PR Agency Edition w/ Highwire's Michael O'Brien & Cortney Stapleton
Kerry Flynn
Reporter at Axios, co-curator of Media Trends Executive
Axios
Episode: Why the Smartest Brands Are Betting on Creators with Kerry Flynn, Reporter at Axios

Hosts

Katie Boysen
Host with a background in public relations and strategic storytelling, frequently co-hosting discussions on PR strategy and industry trends.
Katie Dufficy
Co-host with deep experience in PR and tech storytelling, often guiding conversations on agency life, founder storytelling, and AI-enabled comms.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 36 ratings
  • The insider lens

    Great to look at issues through the insider perspective of PR gurus Katie and Katie. Getting a hot take on the topic of the moment and how it could have been managed better is something we can all learn from.

    I love the open and delightful banter. It feels like I am having a cup of tea (or wine) with my besties and learning at the same time.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Pippi 71
    Australia2 years ago
  • A refreshing addition to the podcasting world

    Smart in Public, hosted by the formidable duo of Katie Boysen and Katie Dufficy, is a refreshing addition to the podcasting world. Now, this isn't just another business podcast—it’s a delightful blend of sharp wit, honest reflections, and the kind of practical insights that one often wishes for but rarely finds. The two Katies, seasoned public relations professionals, tackle everything from managing high-pressure PR teams to building relationships with executives. They speak from the heart, yet ... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    andrew_sf
    Australia2 years ago

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Insightful guests plus real-world stories—great for listeners evaluating agency and startup PR.
The insider lens: Great to hear PR gurus share hot takes with open banter.
A fresh, practical take on PR with witty hosts who actually do the work.

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Talking Points

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Why Checking Your Own Boxes Beats Chasing Titles with Jess Aptman, Chief Communications Officer, Zocdoc
Q: Jess, what's one book, podcast, or person that's shaped how you lead?
Two people come to mind: Molly Graham, who writes about high growth companies and managing emotions, and Ben Horowitz, author of The Hard Thing About Hard Things; both provide language for leading through high growth and adversity and helping you normalize difficult experiences.
Is IR the Hardest Communications Job in Business? with John Cummings, Managing Director, CFO, and COO at Smith Point Capital
Q: What blend of skills and backgrounds are valuable for IR, and how do you get into the field?
Successful IR blends finance knowledge with storytelling ability; people from accounting, finance, or communications who can understand numbers and translate them into compelling narratives tend to fit well. A background in finance plus communication skills, plus a willingness to have difficult conversations, is key.
Is IR the Hardest Communications Job in Business? with John Cummings, Managing Director, CFO, and COO at Smith Point Capital
Q: When is the right time for a company to have an investor relations function, and how early should it be involved?
CEOs should bring in IR early, ideally 12 months or more before going public, and even earlier during IPO readiness; early IR involvement helps the company understand the business, build internal/external relationships, and craft credible, durable messaging.
Is IR the Hardest Communications Job in Business? with John Cummings, Managing Director, CFO, and COO at Smith Point Capital
Q: What is investor relations and what's the function within a corporate?
IR serves as the liaison between the company and its capital markets, ensuring liquidity, conveying the company's story, and translating market feedback into strategic input for leadership; it harmonizes external messaging with internal strategy.
Pack your career go bag with Daniel Méndez Aróstica
Q: What are the two to three questions you constantly get asked by people in comms jobs?
Resumes and cover letters are a frequent topic, followed by how to navigate corporate structures and understand what a large corporate communications team looks like. Many also ask about finding hidden or open opportunities and how to position themselves for interviews in this evolving market.

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What is Smart in Public about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Smart in Public centers on practical public relations, corporate storytelling, and career navigation for communications pros in tech, startups, and media. Across episodes, the conversation frequently threads AI-enabled communication, founder storytelling, crisis planning, and the evolving agency landscape, with a tilt toward actionable tactics, open networking, and human-centered decision making. Noteworthy is the show's balance of veteran industry insight and accessible, candid storytelling, plus a strong emphasis on how AI tools intersect with ethics, trust, and relationship-building in modern PR. This mix makes it useful for listeners evaluating how to lead client programs, scale comms operations, or break into executive-level storytelli... more

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2. Joe Ciarallo
3. Senka Hadzimuratovic
4. Daniel Méndez Aróstica
5. Michelle Masek
6. Nadia Jamshidi
7. Michael O'Brien
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