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Rule-Breakers

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Rule-breakers: the podcast about disruption in digital publishing.Every month, Rule-breakers host, Sean McGrath dives into the fascinating world of digital publishing, exploring how technology is reshaping a very important part of modern life: the way we create and access laws, standards, and guidance.If you’re curious about the forces affecting change in this space, you’re in the right place.

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Edd Wilder-James joins us in this episode for a wide-ranging conversation that begins in the early XML and SGML communities and stretches all the way to today’s AI-driven world. Along the way, we revisit the rise of pivotal standards such as DocBook,... more

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In this episode, Sean McGrath sits down with Alex Smith, Global Product Lead for Knowledge, Search, and AI at iManage, to unpack what’s really happening at the intersection of AI and the world of legal practice.

With a career spanning nearly two dec... more

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In this episode of Rule Breakers, Sean McGrath sits down with Eve Maler, a pioneer in digital identity and a long standing member of the XML community who was influential in shaping XML itself, based on her expertise in its predecessor SGML.

Eve has ... more

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In this episode of Rule Breakers, we’re joined by author and software developer Jon Udell, a longtime explorer of the tools that shape how we write, publish, and work with knowledge. From the early days of SGML and semi-structured content to the mode... more

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In this episode, we speak with Steven Pemberton, a pioneer of the early web, the first user in Europe to connect to the open internet, and a long-time contributor to standards at the W3C including CSS and XHTML. He also worked on the ABC programming ... more

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Dive into an in-depth conversation with Rick Jelliffe, one of the most influential figures in the world of markup languages and structured data.

Rick's contributions to markup and markup standards span from SGML in the 1980s, XML in the Nineties, up... more

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The latest episode of Rule-Breakers features Liam Quin a pioneering figure in the world of electronic publishing and generalized markup. In this conversation, we learn about Liam’s journey from a childhood fascination with typesetting that started wi... more

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Join Rule-breakers host, Sean McGrath and our latest guest, Anthony Coates, for a deep dive into the history and necessity of structured content. Drawing on his experience at Reuters and his work on major financial standards such as FPML, Tony recoun... more

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Recent Guests

Edd Wilder-James
Technology executive and longtime XML/DocBook contributor
Independent / Former O'Reilly connections
Episode: Ep #15: From digital books to digital agents: Edd Wilder-James on the Evolution of Structured Information
Alex Smith
Former Lexis and publishing veteran involved in tax and accounting standards
Lexis/Publishing industry
Episode: Ep #14: Information Architecture and Structured Documents in an AI world
Eve Maler
Digital identity pioneer, SAML co-creator
OpenID Foundation / identity standards community
Episode: Ep #13: Identity, security and privacy - with digital identity pioneer, Eve Maler
Jon Udell
Technology thinker and author known for work on SGML, structured data, and the web
Episode: Ep #12: From SGML (1986) to LLMs (2026): Jon Udell on The Tools That Make Digital Knowledge Work
Steven Pemberton
Computer scientist associated with CWI and W3C involvement
Centrum Wiskunde & Informatica (CWI); World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
Episode: Ep #11: XML, HCI, and a retrospective on markup and the Web with Steven Pemberton
Rick Jelliffe
XML and markup language expert
Independent researcher/consultant
Episode: Ep #10: Markup Goes Beyond Tags: Rick Jelliffe on Language Markup, Structure & Semantics in XML
Liam Quin
Markup and web standards expert; long-time figure in SGML, TROF, and XML
Former SoftQuad, W3C insider
Episode: Ep #9: The Web Before Google: Liam Quin on HoTMetaL, XML, and the First Web Standards
Tony Coates
XML and data formats expert, former Reuters architect
Independent consultant / XML veteran
Episode: Ep #8: The evolution of structured data formats — from XML to AI with Anthony Coates
James Clark
Expert in Markov languages and the world of typesetting
Episode: Ep#7: The quiet innovator: the building blocks of structured documents with James Clark

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Sean McGrath
Host of Rule-Breakers

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What is Rule-Breakers about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show centers on disruption in digital publishing, with conversations that span information architecture, web standards, markup, and the evolving role of AI in knowledge work. Episodes frequently feature veterans and leaders from the XML/SGML, web standards, and publishing communities, discussing how structured data, provenance, and governance shape trustworthy outputs in high-stakes domains like law, finance, and policy. A notable pattern is a deep-dive into historical context (from SGML to XML to modern AI tooling) paired with practical implications for standards, data formats, and publishing workflows. The format tends to blend technical history, hands-on experience, and forward-looking analysis, offering both rich context for indust... more

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Recent guests on Rule-Breakers include:

1. Edd Wilder-James
2. Alex Smith
3. Eve Maler
4. Jon Udell
5. Steven Pemberton
6. Rick Jelliffe
7. Liam Quin
8. Tony Coates

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