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Artwork for Pondering AI
Artificial Intelligence
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Agentic AI
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How is the use of artificial intelligence (AI) shaping our human experience? Kimberly Nevala ponders the reality of AI with a diverse group of innovators, advocates and data scientists. Ethics and uncertainty. Automation and art. Work, politics and culture. In real life and online. Contemplate AI’s impact, for better and worse. All presentations represent the opinions of the presenter and do not r... more

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Renée Cummings channels the spirit of due process while envisioning a radically imaginative world in which the benefits of ethical AI innovation are available to all. 

Kimberly and Renée discuss her radical optimism; finding joy in justice; AI’s cri... more

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Ryan Bishara and Christian Lau team up on an AI and data playbook that delivers an engaging, penalty free experience for LAFC employees and fans on and off the pitch.

Ryan, Christian and Kimberly discuss LAFC’s innovative ethos; building an analytic... more

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Maitreya Shah disables harmful notions and aspires to a world in which AI systems honor the humanity and agency of disabled persons rather than using them as a shield.

Maitreya and Kimberly discuss digital tech done well; how society views disabled ... more

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Courtney Radsch reports on the political and economic impact of synthetic media and the stultifying consequences of our increasingly low-quality, high-fat media diet.

Courtney and Kimberly discuss the range of journalistic endeavors; synthetic media... more

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Olga Goriunova rejects digital abstractions as mirror images of ourselves and reflects on why we concern ourselves with representations that aren’t concerned about us.  

Olga and Kimberly discuss how cultural imagination is shaped by technology; dig... more

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Mel Sellick readies for AI by going beyond literacy to address the psychological, cognitive, and relational capacities required to ensure AI works for humans.         

Mel and Kimberly discuss AI literacy vs. human readiness; the contours of human v... more

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Drew Burdick designs AI systems to multiply human capacity, prioritizes great experiences, and values the serendipitous magic of human connection and collaboration.

Kimberly and Drew discuss building with badass teams; curiosity and innovation; buil... more

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Helen Edwards and Dave Edwards are in awe of AI and passionate about course correcting to preserve human authorship and ensure AI systems are for, not from, people.  

Kimberly, Dave and Helen discuss human authorship; AI as a cultural technology; ge... more

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Recent Guests

Maitreya Shah
Researcher and lawyer, technology policy director at the American Association of People with Disabilities
American Association of People with Disabilities
Episode: Confronting Ableism with Maitreya Shah
Courtney Radsch
Director, Center for Journalism and Liberty; non-resident fellow at Brookings Institution
Center for Journalism and Liberty; Brookings Institution
Episode: The Political Economy of Information with Courtney Radsch
Olga Goriunova
Professor of media arts at Royal Holloway, University of London; author of Ideal Subjects, The Abstract People of AI
Royal Holloway, University of London
Episode: AI Abstractions with Olga Goriunova
Mel Sellick
Applied psychologist; works on organizational readiness in human-AI interaction
IEEE; UNESCO; researcher in AI ethics and readiness
Episode: AI Literacy Is Not All We Need with Mel Sellick
Drew Burdick
Founder and CEO of StealthX
StealthX
Episode: The Human Premium with Drew Burdick
Helen Edwards
Co-founder of Artificiality
Artificiality
Episode: Minding Our Minds with Helen and Dave Edwards
Dave Edwards
Co-founder of Artificiality
Artificiality
Episode: Minding Our Minds with Helen and Dave Edwards
Afua Bruce
Founder and CEO of ANB Advisory Group
ANB Advisory Group
Episode: Prioritizing Public Interest with Afua Bruce
Seth Rabinowitz
Student in UNC Charlotte master's program for data and business analytics
UNC Charlotte
Episode: A Student’s Perspective with Seth Rabinowitz

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Kimberly Nevala
Host of Pondering AI

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Confronting Ableism with Maitreya Shah
Q: Can you speak to the privacy versus access trade-off in accessibility tech and why both must coexist?
Access should not come at the cost of privacy; it is possible to have reliable, private AI that still provides essential accessibility, and we should push for standards and practices that ensure both are respected.
Confronting Ableism with Maitreya Shah
Q: What does responsible AI look like for people with disabilities, and how should organizations involve disabled communities in the design process?
Technology should be led by the voices of people with disabilities; it must be informed by their lived experiences and designed with leadership and participation from disabled people to avoid harmful assumptions and misalignment with real needs.
Confronting Ableism with Maitreya Shah
Q: You described how you first became interested in tech policy and disability rights. How did your path evolve into working at the intersection of technology and disability policy?
I started with disability rights volunteering in high school and gradually built expertise through advocacy and policy work, realizing that emerging technologies could affect rights and daily life, which led me to pursue tech policy with a disability rights lens.
AI Abstractions with Olga Goriunova
Q: In the book you discuss two types of digital subjects, the abstract subject and the ideal subject. Could you define these more clearly?
She explains that abstract subjects are data-driven representations assembled from data points and categories, while ideal subjects are aspirational visions used to guide models and practices; both are produced through historical and technical processes, but they serve different ends and create a distance between self and subject as depicted by systems.
AI Abstractions with Olga Goriunova
Q: Can you tell us a little bit about what those disciplines are?
Olga describes an early training in philology and literature, then moving into digital media and aesthetics, using close reading of technical systems much like literary texts to understand how data and algorithms shape culture.

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Across recent episodes, the discussions center on how humans interact with AI beyond technical literacy, the design of AI-enabled workflows, and the social, ethical, and governance dimensions of AI adoption. Guests range from psychologists and ethicists to CTOs and policy-focused experts, with recurring themes on human-centered design, responsible AI, data governance, and the environmental and societal implications of AI systems. Noteworthy angles include framing and narrative in AI adoption, the tension between productivity and mission-driven outcomes, and practical considerations for public-interest tech, education, and organizational design. Listeners are likely to find actionable insights for product strategy, policy framing, and respon... more

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