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Pearls On, Gloves Off

Mary O'Carroll
Legal Operations
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Smooth operations keep businesses afloat – but what makes them successful? “Pearls On, Gloves Off” is a new podcast where Legal Ops legend Mary O’Carroll and a motley crew of guests share their insider knowledge from running high-performing businesses. Join us for insightful conversations with some of today’s most respected leaders and luminaries.

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Recent Guests

Jim Delkousis
Founder and CEO of Persuit, a platform for managing legal procurement and pricing
Persuit
Episode: #75 - Owning the AI Narrative (Before Someone Else Does)
Sean Houston
Head of Legal Operations at Heineken
Heineken
Episode: #74 - From the Ground Up: Building Legal Ops with Sean Houston
Mike Walsh
CEO of Tomorrow, a global consultancy helping companies reimagine for the 21st century, and a futurist.
Tomorrow
Episode: #73 - Futurist Says: Legal’s Real Risk Is Playing It Safe
Shannon Thyme Klinger
Chief Legal Officer at Moderna, president of Moderna's Charitable Foundation, named one of the most innovative GCs by the Financial Times
Moderna
Episode: #72 - Moderna GC’s AI Strategy
Anne Kerwin Payne
Legal recruiting expert with decades of experience
Kerwin Associates
Episode: #71 - How to Hire (and Get Hired) in Legal Ops
Aaron Bromagem
Head of Legal Operations at Snowflake, a 20-year tech veteran, and startup founder
Snowflake
Episode: #70 - Data, AI, and the New Legal Ops Playbook
Max Junestrand
Founder and CEO of Legora, a legal AI company
Legora
Episode: #68 - Law Firms Enter The AI Arms Race
Genevieve Kelly
Distinguished legal executive with experience at major companies and current General Counsel in Residence at Goodwin
Goodwin
Episode: #67 - The Multinational CLO
April Miller Boise
Executive Vice President, Chief Legal Officer, and Corporate Secretary of Intel Corporation
Intel Corporation
Episode: #65 - What It Really Takes to Be a CLO Today

Host

Mary O'Carroll
Host and Chief Operating Officer at Goodwin; known for her expertise in legal operations and leadership in the legal sector.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 42 ratings
  • Great Content for any Legal Ops Professional

    Mary always provides insightful content for which I am eagerly awaiting to learn with each podcast. I learn so much and receive the reinforcement needed to become a better Legal Ops professional. Thank you Mary!!

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    St Johns CR210
    United States3 years ago

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#76 - Why “Brilliance” Doesn’t Sell: Rainmaker Strategies for 2025
Q: What is your background story, and how did you get into this world?
I was planning on being in academics and got my PhD in political economy, but I shifted to business research and development after working with Corporate Executive Board for almost 20 years.
#72 - Moderna GC’s AI Strategy
Q: What does it mean to be innovative?
For Klinger, being innovative stems from a fundamental curiosity that drives the embrace of new opportunities to better serve humanity.
#69 - Why VCs Are Betting Billions On Legal Tech
Q: How has your approach to investing in legal tech shifted over time?
The importance of understanding the value a product brings rather than just how much is sold.
#69 - Why VCs Are Betting Billions On Legal Tech
Q: What attracted you to legal tech?
Jake saw that it was an extraordinarily high-value function that was very inefficient.
#68 - Law Firms Enter The AI Arms Race
Q: What do you see as the biggest opportunities for AI in the legal sector?
Aligning AI tools with the business models of law firms to improve efficiency and value delivery is a key opportunity.

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