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Pearls On, Gloves Off

Mary O'Carroll
Legal Operations
Ironclad
Legal Technology
Contracts Lifecycle Management
Change Management
Collaboration
Victim Mindset
Legal Services Delivery
Skill Development For Lawyers
Legal Innovation
Legal Education
Artificial Intelligence
Future Of Legal Profession
Generative AI
Digital Transformation
Leadership
Operational Excellence
Contract Management
Standard Chartered Bank
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Smooth operations keep businesses afloat – but what makes them successful? “Pearls On, Gloves Off” is a new podcast where Legal Ops legend Mary O’Carroll and a motley crew of guests share their insider knowledge from running high-performing businesses. Join us for insightful conversations with some of today’s most respected leaders and luminaries.

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In this episode, Mary O’Carroll sits down with Rachel St. Peter, General Counsel at Nestlé Health Sciences US, to unpack a bold career move: stepping into legal ops mid-career to grow beyond the “good lawyer” baseline.

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In this episode of Pearls On, Gloves Off, Mary sits down with Jacqueline Lee, Senior Vice President and General Counsel at Flynn Group, to unpack what it takes to lead legal, compliance, and risk functions at scale. Flynn is the parent company behind... more

Eddie Hartman has been disrupting legal long before it was fashionable. As Co-Founder of LegalZoom and now a Partner & Board Member at Simon-Kucher, he’s worked with everyone from startups to AM Law 100 firms on pricing, innovation, and tech strategy... more

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Recent Guests

Rachel St. Peter
General Counsel for Nestlé Health Sciences in the US.
Nestlé Health Sciences
Episode: #79 - In House Career Growth: Being a Great Lawyer Isn’t Enough
Jacqueline Lee
Senior Vice President and General Counsel at Flynn Group
Flynn Group
Episode: #78 - The Joyful Legal Team
Jim Delkousis
Founder and CEO of Persuit, a platform for managing legal procurement and pricing
Persuit
Episode: #75 - Owning the AI Narrative (Before Someone Else Does)
Sean Houston
Head of Legal Operations at Heineken
Heineken
Episode: #74 - From the Ground Up: Building Legal Ops with Sean Houston
Mike Walsh
CEO of Tomorrow, a global consultancy helping companies reimagine for the 21st century, and a futurist.
Tomorrow
Episode: #73 - Futurist Says: Legal’s Real Risk Is Playing It Safe
Shannon Thyme Klinger
Chief Legal Officer at Moderna, president of Moderna's Charitable Foundation, named one of the most innovative GCs by the Financial Times
Moderna
Episode: #72 - Moderna GC’s AI Strategy
Aaron Bromagem
Head of Legal Operations at Snowflake, a 20-year tech veteran, and startup founder
Snowflake
Episode: #70 - Data, AI, and the New Legal Ops Playbook
Max Junestrand
Founder and CEO of Legora, a legal AI company
Legora
Episode: #68 - Law Firms Enter The AI Arms Race
Genevieve Kelly
Distinguished legal executive with experience at major companies and current General Counsel in Residence at Goodwin
Goodwin
Episode: #67 - The Multinational CLO

Host

Mary O'Carroll
Host and Chief Operating Officer at Goodwin; known for her expertise in legal operations and leadership in the legal sector.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 43 ratings
  • Great Content for any Legal Ops Professional

    Mary always provides insightful content for which I am eagerly awaiting to learn with each podcast. I learn so much and receive the reinforcement needed to become a better Legal Ops professional. Thank you Mary!!

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    St Johns CR210
    United States3 years ago

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#78 - The Joyful Legal Team
Q: How do you measure the value your legal department brings to a company?
Jackie discusses the evolution of her reporting process, moving from lengthy narratives to data-rich presentations that resonate with business executives.
#78 - The Joyful Legal Team
Q: How did you find yourself in the General Counsel role?
Jacqueline shares that her path was nontraditional, needing encouragement from her mentor to explore opportunities outside her expectations, leading to a rapid rise to the General Counsel position at Flynn.
#76 - Why “Brilliance” Doesn’t Sell: Rainmaker Strategies for 2025
Q: What is your background story, and how did you get into this world?
I was planning on being in academics and got my PhD in political economy, but I shifted to business research and development after working with Corporate Executive Board for almost 20 years.
#72 - Moderna GC’s AI Strategy
Q: What does it mean to be innovative?
For Klinger, being innovative stems from a fundamental curiosity that drives the embrace of new opportunities to better serve humanity.
#69 - Why VCs Are Betting Billions On Legal Tech
Q: How has your approach to investing in legal tech shifted over time?
The importance of understanding the value a product brings rather than just how much is sold.

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