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Pearls On, Gloves Off

Mary O'Carroll
Legal Operations
Ironclad
Legal Technology
Digital Transformation
Contracts Lifecycle Management
Collaboration
Victim Mindset
Generative AI
Legal Innovation
Skill Development For Lawyers
Legal Services Delivery
Future Of Legal Profession
Legal Education
Artificial Intelligence
Leadership
Operational Excellence
Contract Management
Change Management
Standard Chartered Bank
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Smooth operations keep businesses afloat – but what makes them successful? "Pearls On, Gloves Off" is a new podcast where Legal Ops legend Mary O'Carroll and a motley crew of guests share their insider knowledge from running high-performing businesses. Join us for insightful conversations with some of today's most respected leaders and luminaries.

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Latest Episodes

Mary O'Carroll welcomes Stephanie Hamon (Global Head of Legal External Engagement, HSBC) to explore how in‑house legal teams are rethinking their relationships with law firms, vendors, and the broader legal ecosystem. With experience spanning Barclay... more

Legal recruiters and podcast hosts Genevieve Riccardelli and Jennifer Soltau join Mary to unpack how law-firm hiring is being turned on its head. They run entry-level recruiting at Goodwin and see the shift happening in real time. Their perspective o... more

Mary O'Carroll welcomes Ben Campbell (General Counsel, Deloitte) to unpack how law firms can—and must—learn from consulting and advisory firms. With a career that spans the DOJ, BigLaw, and now a top in‑house role, Ben offers a unique vantage on how ... more

When many law‑ and consulting‑firms ask "Which AI tool do we buy?" they're missing the bigger shift: the very business model is changing. In this episode, Mary sits down with David Duncan and Tyler Anderson—two long‑time service‑firm innovators—to ex... more

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Recent Guests

Jennifer Soltau
Senior Manager of Legal Recruiting at Goodwin
Goodwin
Episode: #83 - Recruiting Gen Z Lawyers in a Broken System
Genevieve Riccardelli
Leads entry-level hiring, law school engagement, and the summer program for Goodwin's New York office
Goodwin
Episode: #83 - Recruiting Gen Z Lawyers in a Broken System
Ben Campbell
General Counsel of Deloitte, formerly a partner at Latham and a prosecutor at the DOJ
Deloitte
Episode: #82 - Deloitte Prices for Outcomes. Law Firms Will Too.
Rachel St. Peter
General Counsel for Nestlé Health Sciences in the US.
Nestlé Health Sciences
Episode: #79 - In House Career Growth: Being a Great Lawyer Isn't Enough
Jacqueline Lee
Senior Vice President and General Counsel at Flynn Group
Flynn Group
Episode: #78 - The Joyful Legal Team
Jim Delkousis
Founder and CEO of Persuit, a platform for managing legal procurement and pricing
Persuit
Episode: #75 - Owning the AI Narrative (Before Someone Else Does)
Sean Houston
Head of Legal Operations at Heineken
Heineken
Episode: #74 - From the Ground Up: Building Legal Ops with Sean Houston
Mike Walsh
CEO of Tomorrow, a global consultancy helping companies reimagine for the 21st century, and a futurist.
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Episode: #73 - Futurist Says: Legal's Real Risk Is Playing It Safe
Shannon Thyme Klinger
Chief Legal Officer at Moderna, president of Moderna's Charitable Foundation, named one of the most innovative GCs by the Financial Times
Moderna
Episode: #72 - Moderna GC's AI Strategy

Host

Mary O'Carroll
Host and Chief Operating Officer at Goodwin, Mary O'Carroll is renowned for her expertise in legal operations and insight into running high-performing businesses. She brings a wealth of knowledge and experience from her leadership roles in the legal industry.

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4.8 out of 5 stars from 44 ratings
  • Great Content for any Legal Ops Professional

    Mary always provides insightful content for which I am eagerly awaiting to learn with each podcast. I learn so much and receive the reinforcement needed to become a better Legal Ops professional. Thank you Mary!!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    St Johns CR210
    United States3 years ago

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#83 - Recruiting Gen Z Lawyers in a Broken System
Q: What motivated you to start your own podcast?
We wanted to provide inside information to students about what firms look for in the recruitment process.
#80 - Harvey AI's GC: Lawyers Are 20x More Efficient... Now What?
Q: Are you seeing any changes in the conversation about billable hours given advancements in AI?
It's time to rethink the billable hour as a metric; maybe success-based billing is a better alignment with client interests.
#80 - Harvey AI's GC: Lawyers Are 20x More Efficient... Now What?
Q: What does the ROI questions look like for AI in legal settings?
The ROI varies: for in-house, it's about doing more with existing budgets, while for law firms it often relates to efficiency gains and outputs.
#80 - Harvey AI's GC: Lawyers Are 20x More Efficient... Now What?
Q: How do we get people comfortable with working with a tech tool that is very powerful but may also present risks?
We need to develop a symbiotic relationship with the technology and ensure lawyers review output carefully.
#80 - Harvey AI's GC: Lawyers Are 20x More Efficient... Now What?
Q: How does it feel to be in the center of legal AI?
It's really amazing and there's a lot of hype, but also true potential for legal AI.

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Focusing on the intersection of legal operations, management, and technology, the content commonly explores the unique challenges and innovations within the legal industry. Episodes frequently highlight significant shifts in legal recruiting, the impact of artificial intelligence on legal practices, and the evolving role of legal operations in corporate environments. Insights from seasoned experts across various sectors provide valuable perspectives on improving efficiencies and adapting to changing market dynamics, making this a must-listen for professionals aiming to stay ahead in the competitive landscape of legal and business operations. The discussions emphasize a combination of practical advice and thought-provoking analysis, which se... more

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