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Tune in to CLOC Talk every other week to discover thought leaders hailing from corporate law departments, law firms, legal technology enterprises, legal services firms, consulting services providers, and academia. You may just find the meaning of life.

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Recent Guests

Kunoor Chopra
Advisor on business of law through technology and global resources
Elevate
Episode: The Business of Law with Kunoor Chopra
Andrea Shaheen
Director of Global Legal Talent Development and Inclusion at Striker
Striker
Episode: Shaping the Future of Legal Ops Learning (Part 2)
Catrine Chevalier
Legal Operations Manager for the Americas region at DHL
DHL
Episode: Shaping the Future of Legal Ops Learning (Part 2)
Lyndsay Van Benschoten
Legal Operations Director
HCA Healthcare
Episode: The Long Run: Leading with Endurance, Authenticity, and Strategy in Legal Operation
Sean Houston
Shaped CLOC's European strategy and execution
Unknown (spoke as a guest on the Europe-focused discussion)
Episode: CLOCWise 2025 Recap and Looking Ahead to 2026 With Europe
Petra Sterling
Australian regional co-chair (guest on panel)
CLOC
Episode: CLOCWise 2025 Recap and Looking Ahead with Australia
Matthew Duncan
Australian regional co-chair (guest on panel)
CLOC
Episode: CLOCWise 2025 Recap and Looking Ahead with Australia
Michael Thompson
Head of Legal Operations at LDDX (Aldi South Group international IT service provider)
LDDX / Aldi South Group
Episode: CLOCWise: 2025 Recap and Looking Ahead to 2026 With Germany
Vera Roedel
Leader in German legal operations; founder of Transforming Legal with Tom Fennig; prominent in Merck Darmstadt operations
Merck; Transforming Legal
Episode: CLOCWise: 2025 Recap and Looking Ahead to 2026 With Germany

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Jeremiah Kincannon
Co-host of CLOC Talk

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 30 ratings
  • Great podcast

    Excellent content

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Gertrude_Jones
    United Kingdom4 years ago
  • Great Podcast!

    As an owner of a court reporting and litigation support business my biggest hurdle has been to explain the importance of legal operations and choosing a vendor. This podcast has been great to learn more about the progression of the industry! CLOC is a great association as well.

    Amber Kusar Estorga

    Kusar Court Reporters / KusarGlobal

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Amber Kusat
    United States4 years ago
  • WOW!!!

    Listening to the experiences of these CLOC legal ops trailblazers gives this legal-ops-professional-trapped-in-the-body-of-an-attorney so much hope!

    The CLOC Talk Podcast is excellent: funny, informative, inspirational and so very relevant!!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Sdonnigan
    United States5 years ago
  • So helpful and relevant!

    As an attorney fascinated by legal technology and operations and their interaction with business, I appreciate this podcast and Jen’s passion for spreading the message about the CLOC Core 12. The discussions about the fear of judgement from lawyer friends and even family members when a licensed attorney makes the “switch” to legal operations is particularly relevant and accurate. Then reality is that legal operations departments will only expand in the future with advancements in legal tech, the... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    NewlyMingling
    United States5 years ago
  • Great idea to start this podcast!

    Many ideas and best practices might be shared through this resource

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    АлексейНикифоров
    Russia6 years ago

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Positive, practical takeaways and a clear emphasis on evolving the field.
Listeners appreciate candid discussions about budgeting, negotiation, and changing roles in legal ops.
The host and guests provide practical, actionable insights into legal operations and tech adoption.
Community-focused and informative, with emphasis on real-world impact and mentorship.

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The Business of Law with Kunoor Chopra
Q: What does global resourcing look like today and how should teams approach integrating global talent?
Global resourcing should feel like an integrated team, not offshore work. Build trust through regular communication, clear SLAs, and governance; ensure teams across time zones are synchronized and treated as colleagues, so they contribute to outcomes just like any other team member.
The Business of Law with Kunoor Chopra
Q: What would your advice be to somebody as they start to explore this world of ALSPs?
Begin with a pilot in a high-volume, repeatable area to demonstrate immediate impact, then map spend to value, risk, and complexity. Use lessons from those pilots to reallocate work from high-cost outside counsel to managed services or ALSPs and scale from there.
The Business of Law with Kunoor Chopra
Q: When you say that you help clients with the business of law, what does that actually look like?
It means moving beyond ad hoc efficiency gains to a structured, data-informed approach that defines workflows, allocates work to the right resources, and aligns technology with business goals, so legal teams can deliver outcomes that are more predictable, higher quality, and strategically valuable.
“Moving Upstream: Redefining Legal Operations with Curtis Brewer of Litify”
Q: Where do you see AI making the most meaningful impact?
AI is impactful in automating and enhancing decision-making where there's a lot of data and in improving stakeholder self-service.
“Moving Upstream: Redefining Legal Operations with Curtis Brewer of Litify”
Q: What does moving upstream from the invoice mean to you?
It involves reevaluating decisions made before invoice processing to enhance overall legal operations and better resource allocation.

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This show centers on the evolution of legal operations, with a focus on turning operational data into strategic decisions, adopting AI and automation, and optimizing spend, matter, and resource management within corporate legal departments. Guests are drawn from law departments, law firms, legal technology and services, and academia, offering practical tactics for building scalable processes, modern governance, and collaboration across teams. Notable angles include data-driven decision making, innovative resourcing under budget constraints, and global perspectives on legal operations. The format often features candid conversations that reveal real-world playbooks, negotiation approaches, and strategies to elevate legal ops from cost center ... more

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