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California International Marathon
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New York City Marathon
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Houston Half Marathon
Julia Paternain
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Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building comm... more

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Jacob is in Kelowna visiting John Gay, and Rory is back in Flagstaff holding it down after defending his Canadian Half Marathon championship in Edmonton, on a course that turned out to be too long. They break down the race, Rory's Tour de France styl... more

Episode 50 means it's time for another call-in show. Six guests phone in with hot takes, hypotheticals, and questions Jacob and Rory answer completely on the fly. No prep, no notes, just riffing.

Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% o... more

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Truett Hanes is in Flagstaff for a three-week training camp, halfway through it when this was recorded, and it's the most structured he's ever approached running. You probably know him from the pull-up world rec... more

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Vincent Ciattei comes straight off USA Track and Field Championships in New York where he finished second in the 1500 by five hundredths of a second, sent a message to his college group chat saying he was winnin... more

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Recent Guests

Neil Beagle
Coach for Let's Tango and 236 Marathoner
Let's Tango / 236 Marathoner
Episode: #50: The Call-In Show: Hot Takes, Marathon Relay Drafts, and Desert Island Training Questions
Gabby Hentman
OTQ, coach for Let's Tango, last caller
Let's Tango / OTQ
Episode: #50: The Call-In Show: Hot Takes, Marathon Relay Drafts, and Desert Island Training Questions
Truett Hanes
Pull-up world record holder and endurance athlete pursuing OTQ in marathon
Episode: #49 Truett Hanes on Chasing the OTQ and Going All In on a Goal That Scares You
Vincent Ciattei
Under Armour teammate, Dark Sky Track Club member, 5K US Champion at USAs
Under Armour / Dark Sky Track Club
Episode: #48 Vincent Ciattei on Winning the US 5000m Title, Training as a Miler at Altitude, and the Dark Sky Squad
Madey Dickson
BYU grad, full-time nurse, OTQ marathoner
Self / Nike? (brand mentions uncertain)
Episode: #46 Madey Dickson on Running 2:28 at Boston, Working Full Time as a Nurse, and Chasing Big Goals at Berlin
Jack Mullaney
Head coach at NAZ Elite
NAZ Elite
Episode: #44 NAZ Elite Coach Jack Mullaney on Building Team Culture, Alex Masai's Breakout, and Marathon Training Philosophy
Steph Bruce
Flagstaff-based professional runner and founder/leader of multiple initiatives
Tracksmith Stamata Project; Picky Bars; NAZ Elite alumnus
Episode: #43 Steph Bruce on 20 Years as a Pro, Founding Picky Bars, the Stamata Project, and What Comes Next
Brady Holmer
Endurance athlete and guest on the show; long-time guest
Speaker and endurance coach / runner (not tied to a single brand in the episode)
Episode: #41 Brady Holmer - High Carb Evidence, Ketone, and How to Actually Sleep Before a Race
David Roche
Ultra marathoner, elite running coach, and proponent of high-carb fueling
Independent coach/athlete
Episode: #40 David Roche - The Rules of High Carb Training, How to Train the Gut, Fatigue Resistance, & Training the Pros

Hosts

Rory Linkletter
Co-host of the show; professional marathoner with experience coaching and competing at the highest levels
Jacob Thomson
Co-host of the show; professional marathoner with coaching background

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 446 ratings
  • Elite insights

    Love the insight to elites and willingness to give honest takes and advice

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    canada_eventer
    Canada2 months ago
  • Not-so-hidden gem of a running podcast

    This podcast is a true delight-thoughtful, articulate opinionated pro runners giving a view of the sport it’s hard to get elsewhere. The hosts are also fantastic interviewers who let their guests speak but who also ask challenging and provoking questions.

    They remarked they have a lower female listenership-FWIW, I’m a woman and really appreciate the spotlight they have put on women runners in their interviews!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Mary Pagones
    United States3 months ago
  • Week after week!

    Really glad to have found Out and Back through the Life in Stride podcast. JT and Rory offer a great mix of humor and insights. I consume a ton of running content Out and Back is always at the top of my list every week.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Stitmas
    United States4 months ago
  • Insightful & Entertaining

    Always some really good nuggets of info and perspective + refreshingly entertaining! Great hosts, guests, and segments. Keep it rolling fellas!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Dylan from NE
    United States4 months ago
  • Another running podcast? I’m in.

    New listener when you joined SandyBoy Productions and I’m hooked. Great content, banter, and discussion of all things running. Thanks for making the miles fly by! Sincerely, another Lady Listener

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    stkiley
    United States5 months ago

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Guests are varied and high-caliber, contributing strong coaching and racing perspectives.
Listeners describe it as a go-to for race-week prep and post-race analysis.
The show is praised for real-world training details and engaging banter without losing technical depth.
Hosts deliver a mix of humor and expert running insights, creating a relatable yet informative vibe.

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#40
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#16
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Apple Podcasts
#129
United Kingdom/Sports/Running
Apple Podcasts
#108
Australia/Sports/Running
Apple Podcasts
#144
Germany/Sports/Running
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#159
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Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

#50: The Call-In Show: Hot Takes, Marathon Relay Drafts, and Desert Island Training Questions
Q: You have to name three Canadians for the 2028 team. Who are they?
Rory selects himself, Ben Flanagan, and Jess McLean as his Canadian contingent, emphasizing experience, coaching, and current form.
#50: The Call-In Show: Hot Takes, Marathon Relay Drafts, and Desert Island Training Questions
Q: You have to pick three American men you think will make the 2028 Olympic Marathon team. Who are they?
Jacob picks Mance, Hicks, and Talby as his top hopefuls, highlighting their recent form and potential for a breakthrough, with a note that a wild-card challenger could emerge from the field.
#48 Vincent Ciattei on Winning the US 5000m Title, Training as a Miler at Altitude, and the Dark Sky Squad
Q: What moment convinced you that you could win the 5K after the 1,500?
I felt I had enough fitness and strength from the day before, and with the field being exposed and shallow in certain spots, I trusted my training and hit the lead in the final 100 meters to seal the win.
#46 Madey Dickson on Running 2:28 at Boston, Working Full Time as a Nurse, and Chasing Big Goals at Berlin
Q: How do you manage a 12-hour nursing shift and still hit big weekly mileage and marathon goals?
Madey describes using recovery days on workdays, maximizing days off for big sessions, and viewing shifts as part of her training load, not a distraction, which helps her maintain high volume without burning out.
#30 Ed Eyestone - From being an Olympian to Coaching Them, Elite Marathon Training Philosophy, What's Difference in Today's Era of Running and Training
Q: What changes have you seen in college athletics with transfers and NIL, and how does that affect BYU?
Eyestone explains that NIL and transfer rules have forced BYU to adapt rosters and recruitment, balancing domestic talent with selective international adds, while leveraging BYU's strong culture and development pathway to retain top athletes.

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Two professional marathoners host a podcast centered on high-mileage training, race strategy, and the realities of elite endurance racing. Episodes mix technical training talk, race breakdowns, and culture-shaping conversations with world-class athletes, coaches, and industry insiders. Noteworthy aspects include candid banter, behind-the-scenes access to training camps and race weekends, and a balance of serious coaching insight with relatable storytelling that appeals to both competitive runners and enthusiasts curious about the pro lifestyle.

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Recent guests on Out and Back include:

1. Neil Beagle
2. Gabby Hentman
3. Truett Hanes
4. Vincent Ciattei
5. Madey Dickson
6. Jack Mullaney
7. Steph Bruce
8. Brady Holmer

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