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Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building comm... more

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Fall marathon season is here. Rory and Jacob catch up on their own training before recapping Berlin and looking ahead to Chicago, including their picks for the top Americans, the women’s race up front, and the athletes they’re watching.

Then, with C... more

Fresh off a Canadian half marathon record, Jadyn Keeler joins Rory and Jacob in Flagstaff to break down her 68:03 performance at the World Road Running Championships in Copenhagen.

Jadyn shares how the race unfolded, what changed during her first tr... more

Rory is in Copenhagen for the World Road Running Championships, Jacob is getting ready to open his season at the Cow Harbor 10K, and Vinny Mauri joins the show three weeks out from the Chicago Marathon.

Vinny takes us inside the unconventional train... more

Ahmed Muhumed joins Jacob and Rory ahead of the World Road Running Championships in Copenhagen and his highly anticipated marathon debut at the New York City Marathon.

Ahmed talks about what has changed as he makes the jump to 26.2, including runnin... more

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Jadyn Keeler
Canadian half marathon record holder, University of North Dakota alum, Flagstaff resident
Adidas (NIL/Pro contract), Golden Peaks Drag Club
Episode: #56 - Jadyn Keeler Breaks the Canadian Record + What’s Next in the Marathon
Vinny Mauri
Guest; breakout distance runner known for extreme training blocks
Independent/Sponsored by training blocks (unsponsored at time of episode)
Episode: #55 - Vinny Mauri’s 45-Mile Workout Days + World Road Running Champs Preview
Ahmed Muhumed
Flagstaff-based long-distance runner, NAZ Elite
NAZ Elite
Episode: #54 - Ahmed Muhumed Takes on the Marathon
Jess McClain
Elite distance runner
USA National Team - World Half Championships
Episode: #53 - Jess McClain Is Thinking Bigger: Boston, World Champs & NYC
Neil Beagle
Coach for Let's Tango and 236 Marathoner
Let's Tango / 236 Marathoner
Episode: #50: The Call-In Show: Hot Takes, Marathon Relay Drafts, and Desert Island Training Questions
Gabby Hentman
OTQ, coach for Let's Tango, last caller
Let's Tango / OTQ
Episode: #50: The Call-In Show: Hot Takes, Marathon Relay Drafts, and Desert Island Training Questions
Truett Hanes
Pull-up world record holder and endurance athlete pursuing OTQ in marathon
Episode: #49 Truett Hanes on Chasing the OTQ and Going All In on a Goal That Scares You
Vincent Ciattei
Under Armour teammate, Dark Sky Track Club member, 5K US Champion at USAs
Under Armour / Dark Sky Track Club
Episode: #48 Vincent Ciattei on Winning the US 5000m Title, Training as a Miler at Altitude, and the Dark Sky Squad
Madey Dickson
BYU grad, full-time nurse, OTQ marathoner
Self / Nike? (brand mentions uncertain)
Episode: #46 Madey Dickson on Running 2:28 at Boston, Working Full Time as a Nurse, and Chasing Big Goals at Berlin

Hosts

Rory Linkletter
Host of Out and Back; professional marathoner; Flagstaff-based coach and community builder.
Jacob Thomson
Co-host of Out and Back; professional marathoner; based in Flagstaff; sports-coaching lens.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 479 ratings
  • From a Loyal Lady Listener

    You don’t have to be a professional male runner to enjoy the seamless banter between Jacob and Rory! I always learn something in every episode—and usually laugh along the way, too. This is the podcast we didn’t know we needed. 🏃‍♀️🎙️

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Carolyn Coffin
    Canadaa month ago
  • Super fun.

    Rory & Jacob are super fun AND you get a peek inside the lives and training of legit pro runners. Love this show!!!!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Lindsey Hein
    United Statesa month ago
  • Elite insights

    Love the insight to elites and willingness to give honest takes and advice

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    canada_eventer
    Canada4 months ago
  • Not-so-hidden gem of a running podcast

    This podcast is a true delight-thoughtful, articulate opinionated pro runners giving a view of the sport it’s hard to get elsewhere. The hosts are also fantastic interviewers who let their guests speak but who also ask challenging and provoking questions.

    They remarked they have a lower female listenership-FWIW, I’m a woman and really appreciate the spotlight they have put on women runners in their interviews!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Mary Pagones
    United States4 months ago
  • Week after week!

    Really glad to have found Out and Back through the Life in Stride podcast. JT and Rory offer a great mix of humor and insights. I consume a ton of running content Out and Back is always at the top of my list every week.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Stitmas
    United States5 months ago

Listeners Say

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The hosts ask challenging questions and keep the vibe engaging without losing depth.
Listeners appreciate the candid stories from the road and the industry inside look.
A go-to for practical training notes and race-day nuance during long runs.
Elite insights into elite running with thoughtful takes and honest coaching.
The show balances high-level analysis with accessible, relatable discussion.

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Apple Podcasts
#34
United States/Sports/Running
Apple Podcasts
#29
Canada/Sports/Running
Apple Podcasts
#136
United Kingdom/Sports/Running
Apple Podcasts
#88
Australia/Sports/Running
Apple Podcasts
#88
Italy/Sports/Running
Apple Podcasts
#124
Germany/Sports/Running

Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

#56 - Jadyn Keeler Breaks the Canadian Record + What’s Next in the Marathon
Q: What was the key strategy Jadyn employed in Copenhagen?
Jadyn aimed to stay with a pace group early, then decided to chase down gaps and use the surrounding competition to push through to a Canadian record, adjusting on the fly as the race unfolded.
#55 - Vinny Mauri’s 45-Mile Workout Days + World Road Running Champs Preview
Q: How does this training translate to your marathon performance, and how does it affect tapering for Chicago?
The treadmill work builds a high-volume base and mental resilience; I'll taper by trimming big days and shifting to shorter, more intense runs while preserving race-specific fitness, aiming to stay sharp without losing the endurance foundation built by the block.
#55 - Vinny Mauri’s 45-Mile Workout Days + World Road Running Champs Preview
Q: What have you been doing on the treadmill that stands out in your training block?
I've been doing several long, hard treadmill sessions, including a 45-mile day split into two long morning blocks and an afternoon set of extended tempo intervals, designed to rack up volume while pushing pace; the rest intervals are short to keep intensity high, and the goal is to simulate marathon fatigue and mental toughness.
#50: The Call-In Show: Hot Takes, Marathon Relay Drafts, and Desert Island Training Questions
Q: You have to name three Canadians for the 2028 team. Who are they?
Rory selects himself, Ben Flanagan, and Jess McLean as his Canadian contingent, emphasizing experience, coaching, and current form.
#50: The Call-In Show: Hot Takes, Marathon Relay Drafts, and Desert Island Training Questions
Q: You have to pick three American men you think will make the 2028 Olympic Marathon team. Who are they?
Jacob picks Mance, Hicks, and Talby as his top hopefuls, highlighting their recent form and potential for a breakthrough, with a note that a wild-card challenger could emerge from the field.

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What is Out and Back about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Two professional distance runners who train and race at the highest levels host this show, sharing candid training insights, race-day strategies, and behind-the-scenes stories from life on the road. Episodes mix practical coaching tips with personal anecdotes about blocks, travel, sponsorships, and the politics of elite racing, all delivered with humor and camaraderie. A standout keepsake is the deep access to elite training culture, team dynamics in Flagstaff, and thoughtful conversations about longevity, goal setting, and balancing sport with other life commitments. Potential listeners include aspiring elites, experienced amateurs chasing peak Marathon performance, coaches, and brand partners looking for authentic endurance storytelling a... more

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2. Vinny Mauri
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5. Neil Beagle
6. Gabby Hentman
7. Truett Hanes
8. Vincent Ciattei

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